I also have been reading most of this thread with limited interest, and Tony said it all.  Yes, working them all is probably a little more important to me than Tony.  I need BS7, VU4, E3, and ZL9.  At almost 65, I Might have a shot at the last 2.  However, if I don't work them all, so be it.  I had my chances at the last two in 1999 and wasn't paying attention, and in my lifetime I have had a shot at all four.  Shame on me, not the system. 

Quit whining and leave the system alone.  It has it's problems, but don't we all?  It has served us well since I started chasing DX in 1958.  Get your shorts out of a wad and wait like the rest of us.

73,
Mike, W5UC


At 08:50 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, Tony Martin wrote:
Morning to all,
I've been reading all of this DX totals stuff and I guess maybe my question
is too simple, but here it is: "Is it REALLY that important to any one of
you that you be NUMBER ONE?"  I just don't get it I guess.....there are
sooooo many more important things in life.

Just my 2 cents....no clue as to my "Total Total Total"...I just know I need
VU4 and VU7.  I hope I get them, but then if I don't just put this on my
headstone:
"Here lies Tony, he never worked VU4 and VU7"  R.I.P.
<grins>
Tony, W4FOA



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In a message dated 7/10/03 6:16:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
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<<
 On another front, the "new" DXCC is clearly the "Challenge" but by not
 starting fresh and allowing the OTs to scour their QSL files, the
 League missed an incentive opportunity for the relatively newer DXers.
 Not exactly a level playing field. In pushing for a fresh start, I
 pointed out that W4DR would be the first "winner" and the next 10 were
 equally easy to predict. In the "Challenge"  a golden opportunity was
 missed.

 73, Steve WB6RSE >>

There is another 'gotcha' in the DXCC Challenge, namely the inclusion of SIX
METERS in the totals.

Steve is right, there are NO surprises in the DXCC Challenge Listings.  Just
look at the I2EOW TOPBANDS List and then add in the 6M DXCC Totals and you
can
accurately predict the Top DXCC Challenge listees.

Note that the Top Guns in the USA on 6M have around 140 'entities' on that
band.  This means that a Top Gun HF (only) DXer will still be 140 'points'
below
W4DR, W1JR, K8MFO, and others with high 6M totals after spending hundreds of
$$$ to have their 12, 15, 17, 20, and 30M QSL's 'verified' by ARRL.

Unfortunately, the DXCC Challenge Listing consists ONLY of the TOTAL number
of Band Countries, including SIX Meters.  Hopefully they will eventually
come
out with a TOPBANDS like listing that includes the number of (Current) DXCC
Entities by BAND as well as the Total.

Using LifeTime numbers for the Single Band DXCC Listings is another
'gotcha'.
 I grind my teeth when I look at the 40M DXCC Listing for example.  I only
need TWO entities on that band (BS and P5) but am 16 entities behind the
leader,
W8AH because AL has another 14 DELETED entities that I will never be able to
add to my totals.  It's WAY past time to use CURRENT ENTITIES for the DXCC
Listings.  If the OT's want recognition for their Deleted Totals, I have no
objection to showing LifeTime or Deleted Totals following each call in the
listing,
but lets use Current Countries for the Basis of the Listings!

Tom  N4KG  (with only 48 years of DXing under my belt)








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