There is NO reason for anybody that wants a qsl from a DX station to follow the DX station or manager instructions. It isn't mandatory to anybody to keep E-logs or to use LOTW, E-QSLs etc. It's NOT mandatory to anybody to do what another person think or want to do. Nobody can force anybody to do anything. This is a hobby not a WAR !!!! Keep up the good work Peter and thanks for the nice VI5PN qsl card. I like to receive qsls Much better then credits but I can't force others to agree with me. Regards to everybody.
Fred - PY7ZZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry K3BZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ron Notarius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Peter Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Australian QSL costs - some clarifications from VK3QI > That's exactly what I thought....Thanks Ron. There is NO cost for DX to use > LOTW, and therefore NO reason for a DX manager not to use LOTW, as indicated > by Peter VK3QI..... besides....possibly.... money. > > 73, Jerry K3BZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Notarius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jerry K3BZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Peter Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Australian QSL costs - some clarifications from VK3QI > > > > Straight from the Logbook of the World FAQ page > > https://p1k.arrl.org/lotw/faq#cost: > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > How much does it cost to use Logbook of the World? > > > > There is no charge for digital certificates or for submitting log data to > > the LoTW system. A charge is levied only when you apply for an award using > > QSL matches obtained via LoTW. (Note that there's a charge for awards no > > matter how you apply for them). > > > > The specific fees charged for using Logbook data for awards vary depending > > on how many credits you buy at one time. See the Fees page for details > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't think it can be stated any plainer than that. It costs NOTHING to > > upload data. Period. Yes, you may have to jump through a hoop or two to > > get authorized -- a neccesary evil to ensure that you are who you say you > > are -- but all that costs is a little time, no money. > > > > Costs are ONLY involved when YOU apply for YOUR awards. That also does > not > > incur any costs to the DX Station(s) QSL Manager. > > > > 73, ron wn3vaw > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry K3BZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Peter Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Australian QSL costs - some clarifications from > VK3QI > > > > > > > Hi, Peter... thanks for the very detailed and informative message... > that > > > stuff is good to know and keep in mind. > > > > > > One question.... you wrote: "Comments have also been made about the > LoTW. > > > Unfortunately, until LoTW is able to be accepted and accessed at no cost > > by > > > Awards Managers outside of > > > the U.S.A., the requirement of hard copy qsl cards will remain a > > necessity." > > > > > > What are the costs for a manager outside the US to accept and access > LOTW? > > > Does the ARRL make you pay to use LOTW? > > > > > > 73, Jerry K3BZ > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Peter Forbes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:55 AM > > > Subject: [DX-CHAT] Australian QSL costs - some clarifications from VK3QI > > > > > > > Australian Postage Charges for QSLS > > > > > > > > There has been a recent discussion thread about the cost of postage to > > > > various areas of the world. Currently the following applies: > > > > > > > > (1) A SINGLE card (not folded type) sealed in an envelope and stamped > > > CARD > > > > ONLY costs A$1.10 airmail to anywhere in the world. > > > > > > > > (2) More than one card sealed in an envelope to Pacific rim countries > > and > > > > Pacific Islands (except KH6 and South American Pacific Islands) costs > > > > A$1.20, Airmail for up to 50 grams weight. > > > > > > > > (3) More than one card sealed in an envelope to Rest of World costs > > > A$1.80 > > > > Airmail for up to 50 grams weight. > > > > > > > > There is NO Economy or Surface Rates on Letters available. > > > > > > > > If the weight exceeds 50 grams and up to 125 grams the cost doubles > for > > > (2) > > > > and (3), that is A$2.40 and A$3.60 respectively. > > > > > > > > Typically the 50 grams weight limit means between 10 and 15 cards > > maximum, > > > > depending on board weight and whether cards are folded and/or use > > stick-on > > > > labels. > > > > > > > > Exchange Rates > > > > > > > > 1 US Green Stamp is approximately A$1.30 after exchange charges are > > > > included. > > > > > > > > 1 IRC will generate stamps to the value of up to A$1.80 postage. > > > > > > > > Card Costs > > > > > > > > Generally an envelope is about 10 cents. > > > > > > > > QSL cards vary from around 10 cents to 25 cents, depending on quality > > and > > > > production run numbers. > > > > > > > > Buro Membership in Australia > > > > > > > > The Wireless Institute of Australia (WIA) as the official IARU buro > for > > > VK, > > > > does provide pickup points (at cost to the non-member), however > > membership > > > > of the WIA is not compulsory (and legally could not be made so in this > > > > country). A manager who chooses not to collect inwards cards from the > > > buro, > > > > is quite within their rights to do so. > > > > > > > > Note that the WIA also has NO obligation to return unclaimed cards to > > the > > > > originating buro. (see IARU website and minutes regarding this > matter) > > > > > > > > The Original Post > > > > > > > > If you read the original post from Art RX9TX, you will note that there > > was > > > a > > > > reference to a "Package" of cards. The particular qsl manager is > not > > > > identified. > > > > > > > > If in fact, there were multiple requests and cards sufficient to put > the > > > > combined weight greater than 50 grams, then the actual cost could well > > > have > > > > exceeded A$ 4.00 in postage (A$3.60 and cards at 10 to 25 cents each). > > > > > > > > This would equate to between 3 and 4 green stamps or 2 IRCs, the > amount > > > > that the manager was indeed requesting. > > > > > > > > Our Position VI3JPI, VI5WCP, VI5BR and VI5PN > > > > > > > > Over the last 3 years, our IOTA group has activated the above calls > and > > > over > > > > 25,000 qsos. All members of the team are WIA members and we readily > > > accept > > > > cards via the Buro or Direct. > > > > > > > > Interestingly, the typical direct request now contains either 1 IRC, 1 > > IRC > > > > &1 Green Stamp, 2 Green Stamps or an International Business Reply > > Envelope > > > > (especially from JA). > > > > > > > > However, a significant number do not include an SASE or postage. > > > > Fortunately, due to the generous nature of many fellow countrymen from > > > > > around the world, there has been sufficient surplus to allow us to > reply > > > to > > > > these requests directly. > > > > > > > > In the case of buro cards received and replied to, the average time of > > > > arrival in our hands is between 12 and 15 months and in most cases the > > > buro > > > > reply has been made within 3 months, as this is the normal clearance > > time > > > > for the VK3 outwards buro to the major ham population areas such as > JA, > > W, > > > G > > > > DJ, I, EA, F and UA. This means a total buro time, of around 18 to 21 > > > > months. > > > > > > > > To my knowledge, fortunately there are only a handful of active VK > > > operators > > > > who don't accept buro cards, for reasons known only to themselves. In > > > some > > > > cases, these relate to operations from VK9 and VK0 where permanent > > > residents > > > > are not involved and wisely, a manager has been used. > > > > > > > > I hope the above information helps to explain the high and ever > > increasing > > > > costs associated with qsling out of VK land. > > > > > > > > Comments have also been made about the LoTW. Unfortunately, until > LoTW > > is > > > > able to be accepted and accessed at no cost by Awards Managers outside > > of > > > > the U.S.A., the requirement of hard copy qsl cards will remain a > > > necessity. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Forbes VK3QI > > > > Manager for VI3JPI, VI5BR and VI5PN > > > > and VK3 WIA Buro Outwards Manager. > > > > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, [email protected] > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [email protected] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
