I will agree that Ragnar has some EXCELLENT Starter suggestions, but I want to maybe add another approach, and this could take time. I don't know if its possible to use PEER PRESSURE. When there are stations exhibiting bad behavior from name-land (you supply the country name), is it possible, probably by the well-known "policemen", to contact the DX stations, and inform them to not answer any call from ANY of those name-land stations. That way, I expect their own operators will begin to police their own countrymen, if anyone from that country is going to work the DX. It may not work very well in the beginning, but I think over time, as the idea gains momentum, it will be apparent to the Big Guns and small pistols alike, from that country, that they have to get after some of their operators in those countries, or no one is going to get into the log. I think the DX-peditions of the future will have to include such planning for future DX-peditions, as we get into that season again, such things as liaison frequencies, or emails with secret addresses, if that's available, and passwords, etc., just to be able to use this type of control. Even to the extent of certain well-behaved operators from those offending countrymen countries, ought to be contacted ahead of time with alternate frequencies, to get through, and not be part of the pile-ups, etc. I don't know. I toss this out as an approach, as I remember a certain expedition that was well funded by a certain country, and those guys were given 14.347, which no one elsewhere knew about, to get right through and into the log. Only those others that tuned up there by chance, and listened to what was sporatically happening, might have eventually caught on. I wouldn't doubt that some of this is already in place (liaison frequencies, email contacts, etc.), except for the plan to ignore all of the offending country's stations. Yes, I'm sure that the U.S., with its numerous hams may have to be broken down by call-district, i.e., "no calls from W(number)", and move on to the next, if going by numbers, until perhaps, the next time that call district comes around again, and then see if the offenders have caught on. (Some of these people can't be that ignorant, and still have passed a licensing exam at one time !). 73 all, de Dennis, W2IU > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]> Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island> Date: Thu, 29 Jan > 2009 12:43:32 +0100> > > I have to say that I almost never hear such bad > manners from French-speaking operators. Parisian driving technique does not > seem to have spread to ham radio!> It must be something wrong with me; I > enjoy driving in Paris!! Hi> > The bigger question is: what can we do > constructively to improve things?> The offenders must be told in no uncertain > terms that bad behaviour is not acceptable. The rest of us just have to be > good role models!> > For starters:> 1. Make our calls short,> 2. One phone, > use full call and standard phonetics (ICAO alphabet).> 3. Never call when we > don't hear the DX-stn OK We must know what is going on first to avoid > unnecessary QRM> 4. Listen - listen and listen again !!> 5. Not spot local > station on DX-clusters.> > 73 rag LA5HE> > > > Cheers> Dave G0OIL> > > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected]> Sent: 29 January 2009 09:16> > To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island> > I am not sure > the lack of enough understanding of English is the main factor. It is a > logical fact to DO NOT shout your callsign (or even just your suffix) when a > QSO is already in progress or when another suffix is asked. It is a nonsense > and an egocentric behavior. I think the international alphabet is clear > enough to avoid these kind of confusions by anyone from any country. I would > not call if I hear from the DX "Alpha Sierra, go ahead", even if my name is > ending by "AS"... Another part of the problem could be a culture difference > (and the latin culture might have these significative differences: << me and > what peoples would think about me and about my "power", first... >> (...let's > worry about the others later).> > And to reply to another comment, this > "problem" has nothing to do with this particular coming KP5 operation but is > simply redundant with most of the rare DXpeditions.> > 73 de Nicolas F5FRM (a > french/spanish latin one :-)> > > > > ----- Mail Original -----> De: "ragnar > otterstad" <[email protected]>> À: [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected]> Envoyé: Lundi 26 Janvier > 2009 18:57:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / > Vienne> Objet: [DX-CHAT] Descheo Island> > >> > I can see right now what's > going to happen when they> > work Europe:> >> > When the operator says quite > clearly for the fifth time> > "Golf Nine Alpha Alpha Alpha five and nine", > all> > the Italians will keep shouting their last two for ten> > minutes > solid on the G9's frequency, overmodulating> > their 3kW amplifiers and > without pausing for> > breath......even if they are in the log twelve times> > > already.> > > Unfortunately, I think you are right. Part of the problem is > lack of proper understanding of English, which applies to all the latin > countries, where films are dubbed. Up here, we have subtitles, so people get > language lessons without even knowing it !!> > >> > These guys are all pretty > good o> > > [The entire original message is not included]> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------> To unsubscribe > or subscribe to this list. 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