If I want to keep my No 1 Honor Roll, then I need confirmation of a
QSO. I have two choices - wait for 1 year on an LOTW upload, or send
OQRS $5 for a card I dont want and then have to find a field checker
and send a paper claim to ARRL.

Or if I need the confirmation on 160 meters ... try to find a card
checker qualified to even handle the 160 meter card.

Again, major operations should rely on advanced funding - not expect to
extort the extra costs after the fact in QSL fees.  If that means there
will be fewer "tent and generator"  operations so be it.  If that means
places like VP8/G, 3Y/B, BS7, etc. become "unreachable", perhaps it is
time to reevaluate the DXCC country criteria.

73,

  ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2012 8:49 AM, Tom Wylie wrote:

Isn't the sea full of red herrings just now. Its you're choice whether
or not you buy a book. If I want to keep my
No 1 Honor Roll, then I need confirmation of a QSO. I have two choices -
wait for 1 year on an LOTW upload, or send OQRS $5
for a card I dont want and then have to find a field checker and send a
paper claim to ARRL. I thought this was
supposed to be the electronic age.


Tom
GM4FDM



On 21/05/2012 13:18, Don Greenbaum wrote:

"Commercialisation":

Does that include writing books about your dxpeditions and then
selling those books? I wonder where the profits of my purchase of "up
2" went? Maybe I should have demanded my copy for free.
73
Don
N1DG

At 01:17 PM 5/20/2012, ragnar otterstad wrote:

Hello Don

I dont know more than what I read, but I am sure you will put
everything in perspective. We are an who look forward to that.

Perhaps it yet again all boils down to the old trans-atlantic
cultural divide. QSLing habits, charitable donations,
commercialisation are all different in USA than anywhere else in the
world.


73 Rag LA5HE


Well do you know the context of the sentence being quoted?

Or the fact that I was referring to a study of over 20 dxpeditions
including one that uploaded within a week of the end of operations?

You will note the phrase uploading early is not in the sentence you
quoted me as saying. I was asked about a six month upload timeframe.

I think you might ask someone for some Clarification of his remarks
before publicly questioning what he does or does not know.

Don N1DG



On May 20, 2012, at 7:37 AM, ragnar otterstad <la...@yahoo.no
<mailto:la...@yahoo.no>> wrote:


How would N1DG know that income immediately dries up when uploading
early to LoTW? He has never tried it!
Tom is right: it makes no difference to anything, in my experience
anyway.
73 de Roger/G3SXW.


From: Tom Wylie
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Trevor Dunne
Cc: Roger Western ; c...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:c...@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [CDXC] 3C6A and 3C0E


Doesn't sound exactly right to me, becuase according to the ARRL there
are only 50,000 users of LOTW many of whom are unactive or historical
logs. Sounds like a lot of hoo hah to me to try to justify their
position, and can be considered a red herring.

In my experience of meing a QSL Manager and on going on expeditions
myself, those who want a paper card, will STILL want a paper card no
matter the state of LOTW. I have no noticed any visible change in the
number of direct requests 1 year after my last trip to Senegal, when I
uploaded the logs to LOTW each day. I am still receiving
hundreds via the buro in addition.

Tom
GM4FDM

On 20/05/2012 12:01, Trevor Dunne wrote:
> Seen this intresting tweet from one of the DX dinners at Dayton last
> night it was a talk on DXpedition funding,
>
> NCDXF (@NCDXF)
> 19/05/2012 20:10
> Great discussion about #DXpedition funding! N1DG: âEUR?The minute
the LOTW
> upload happens, you might as well close the bank account.âEUR?
>
> Goes against the general feeling posted here,
>
> Trevor
> EI2GLB




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