Well precisely Dave - I mean if you have sufficient operators, with sufficient kit and they stay there a long time, it stands to reason they are going to break records - my dog';s bigger than your dog! etc. But, it depends upon the obectives of the expedition. If like T32C you want to get through the layers of big guns, down to the QRP and dipoles and G5RVs, then you have to be operating 24/7 with a lot of stations and stay for a good while. There are too many variables. In the Carribean you are close to the USA and can keep the number up on any band, likewith I guess 7O6T was close to Europe, with a big catchment area. Some of the Pacific Islands are great for Japan and the West Coast USA, but perhaps less so for Europe..


But, to me, actual numbers are pretty meaningless. I mean, if I go to Banaba on my own for 5 days and make 1,000 Qs per day = 5,000 QSOs, would that in the greater scheme of things be a good efort 1,000 Qs per operator per day or would it be lost in the annals of time as a small insignificant operation.
I would expect to make that number of QSOs per day (at least) during CQWW.

By the way,  its time Banaba was done again.

:-)     Tom
GM4FDM



On 06/06/2012 09:40, DAVE WHITE wrote:
Hi think that's a great way of looking at things, Tom
I thought that the 7O6T guys did an amazing job before I saw your analysis, but I guess that figure really hammers home quite how incredible their QSO rate was. I bet they slept for a week when they got home. I suppose the counter argument to judging a DXpedition simply by number of QSOs is - as others have suggested - where those QSOs came from, hence the point from our friends across the Atlantic that the 7O6T team apparently didn't look to maximise band openings to North America (and elsewhere) - whereas Neville G3NUG told me that working the hard-to-work paths was specifically a goal of T32C, possibly partly (along with other factors) explaining the lower QSO rate As you say, it all depends on the objectives of the Dxpedition and as Benjamin Disraeli alluded, interpretation of statistics can be dangerous
cheers
Dave G0OIL

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Tom Wylie <mailto:tgwy...@virginmedia.com>
    *To:* list...@ve1dx.net <mailto:list...@ve1dx.net>
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    *Sent:* Tuesday, June 05, 2012 8:17 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [DX-CHAT] Leaderboards - good or bad?


    One of my personal yardstick of the "goodness" of an expedition is
    NOT the total number of QSOs made
    as that depends entirely on the number of operators, stations and
    the duration
    but I like to look at the TOTAL QSOs made by the NUMBER of
    OPERATORS and the NUMBER of DAYS taken into account

    Like:

    Call        Total QSOs      No of Operators     No of Days      No
    of QSOs made per operator per day

T32C 213006 38 30 186 D68C 168591 32 20 263 HK0NA 195292 27 27 267
    7O6T            162029            17                15 *635*

    I guess it all depends on the objectives of the expedition

    work uniques??
    work down to the third and fourth tier?
    max out the QSOs?

    etc etc.

    Its just my way of looking and comparing things


    Tom
    GM4FDM



    On 05/06/2012 19:54, Paul M Dunphy wrote:

        G7VJR's point of view (ClubLog creator and T32C participant):

    http://g7vjr.org/2012/06/expedition-leaderboards-good-or-bad/

    73, Paul VE1DX



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