Gary, 
Jim Smith (VK9NS - SK) would at times simply send "D5". Those who were paying 
attention would drop down 5 and snag him. 
73 
Tony , W4FOA 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary" <k...@k7zd.com> 
To: "Dx-Chat" <dx-chat@njdxa.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:15:05 AM 
Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Re: [SPAM]Re: [DX-NEWS] Best Practices for DXpedition 
Operating 


Barry, you read my mind.. thanks! Certain DXpedition ops (i.e. Vince 
K5VT - SK) would really do something neat. Vince would have this huge CW 
pileup going, and send "32". I'd spin the dial up to 32 and call once. 
Bingo! Reward for actually LISTENING to the DX op 

73, Gary K7ZD 

On 12/12/2012 7:46 AM, Barry wrote: 
> 
> As a former big gun in a good location, now a little pistol in a bad 
> location, I can say I find the current state of DXing very 
> discouraging. The instant bedlam generated by the Cluster and skimmer 
> networks makes it very difficult for the little guys. 
> 
> The other big factor is the "need" for so many to work every band-mode 
> combination. While I can understand wanting a QWSO on each band and 
> mode, is EVERY combination necessary? For example, if you worked them 
> on 20 SSB, 40 CW, and 15 RTTY, do you also feel obligated to fill in the 
> 20 CW and 20 RTTY slots, too? If so, why? 
> 
> Fortunately, there's not much I need any more, so I haven't even 
> bothered chasing most of the DXpeds in the last few years. 
> 
> Barry W2UP 
> 
> On 12/12/2012 07:20, Ryan Jairam wrote: 
>> >From those whom I have spoken to, they absolutely do NOT just work 
>> "the big guns." 
>> 
>> In fact, having a variable split makes a big station less useful than 
>> it could be. 
>> 
>> They absolutely do listen to the little pistol guys. 
>> 
>> The biggest challenge I've had was finding a good split frequency and 
>> often the one that nobody is calling on is the one that gets me in the 
>> log. 
>> 
>> Watch some of those DXpedition videos and you'll see how they do it. 
>> Some DXpeditions use set split patterns, but others spin the knob, 
>> sort of like they were S&Ping. 
>> 
>> Just be patient and they'll find you. Of course, don't expect that 
>> you'll win versus the guy with a kilowatt and a tower. Head to head 
>> he's going to crush you. But you can get in the log if you think 
>> outside the box a little. I worked DXCC mobile, so I know all about 
>> being at a distinct disadvantage... 
>> 
>> I won't lie, I make more than one QSO and try to fill up band/mode 
>> combos as much as I can. If I plan to pursue CW/Phone awards in the 
>> future it will be useful. I'm doing less of that now, but still trying 
>> to get as many challenge points as I can. 
>> 
>> But I don't spend hours in a pileup, so I don't see how I'm setting 
>> anyone back. Usually I am in the log in a few minutes. 
>> 
>> 73 
>> Ryan, N2RJ 
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Robert <rc...@yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>> Sorry Bert, I'll have to respectfully disagree. While DXing is a 
>>> competitive 
>>> sport, it shouldn't be based on who can afford a 30 meter tower with 
>>> stacked 
>>> beams and a 1500W amp. Sure, those gentlemen will be making the first 
>>> contacts with the DX stations - it's only logical. However, there are 
>>> many 
>>> more ops that have the 100W with a dipole and have worked hard just 
>>> to get 
>>> that. They deserve a fighting chance, not a give-a-way, just a 
>>> chance. It's 
>>> hard for a new ham to get excited about DXing if all they get to do is 
>>> listen to stations making "insurance" contacts. 
>>> 
>>> Robert - N9EF 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:12 AM, "Bert Garcia" <n...@earthlink.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> In my opinion I think DXing is fine the way it is. We don’t need any 
>>> once 
>>> per mode or once per band rules. If we do need those rules, perhaps ARRL 
>>> should restructure the Challenge Award and only permit once per mode 
>>> or once 
>>> per band to count for each DX callsign. 
>>> 
>>> There are many facets to ham radio. Making rules to ensure the 
>>> 100W/dipole 
>>> weekend DXer gets a contact shouldn’t be a priority to a DXpedition. 
>>> DXing 
>>> is a competitive sport. Be polite when you’re on the air – all bands, 
>>> all 
>>> modes. 
>>> 
>>> Bert N8NN 
>>> 
>>> From: Peter W2IRT 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:23 AM 
>>> To: dx-n...@njdxa.org 
>>> Subject: RE: [DX-NEWS] Best Practices for DXpedition Operating 
>>> 
>>> My opinion on this is pretty simple, and I've stated it repeatedly. For 
>>> something in high demand (top-25 entity, for example) there have to 
>>> be some 
>>> clearly communicated goals from the outset. Establish those goals, do 
>>> what 
>>> you can to communicate them loudly and clearly to The Deserving and 
>>> don't 
>>> deviate from your plan unless your pilots convey critical information or 
>>> your rates show a need to change. Be LOUD, work the areas with the best 
>>> rates for as long as you can. Focus on the hardest-to-work region as 
>>> propagation opens. 
>>> 
>>> Here's how I'd do it. 
>>> 1) Priority is as many unique as possible for all time new ones 
>>> 2) Once per mode and/or 
>>> 3) At most once per band 
>>> This means either no clublog greenies or work with the Clublog 
>>> developer to 
>>> come up with a module that shows bands and modes worked, but not a full 
>>> band-mode matrix. 
>>> 
>>> The Plan: 
>>> Planners must fully understand that there are three major centres of ham 
>>> populations. NA, EU and JA. Within each major center is East Coast 
>>> NA, West 
>>> coast, central; Northern Europe, Southern Europe, Eastern Europe (and 
>>> western Asia); JA stands by itself. NOT to marginalize SA, VK/ZL, OC 
>>> and AF, 
>>> but the highest rates will be had with the three major continents. 
>>> NOW, with 
>>> that said and understood: 
>>> 1) One of the three areas of the world will be extremely 
>>> difficult to 
>>> work due to a polar path (Eastern NA to South-east Asia; south 
>>> Pacific to 
>>> Southern Europe, Caribbean to JA, etc). 
>>> 2) Two of those three will have propagation on all bands and 
>>> modes, and 
>>> will have an opening 24/7 somewhere. 
>>> I. As such, they MUST focus—tightly—on those in 
>>> the first 
>>> category. Like Martti on Scarborough Reef dedicating 3 hours to North 
>>> America only. No exceptions. 
>>> 
>>> Following the terminator is an absolute must. If you're going to an 
>>> ultra-rare place, you need someone good with propagation, who can 
>>> read and 
>>> understand the charts and formulate a concrete plan to use as a base. 
>>> With 
>>> the morning terminator an hour away from the Canadian maritimes, if 
>>> you're 
>>> in darkness, that's the time to start calling NA East Coast, for 
>>> example. If 
>>> you're on 3B9, as you go into dawn start calling NA West Coast (you'd 
>>> have 
>>> had all night to work NA East coast in this example). And so on. 
>>> II. Keep one station on 20m SSB 24/7 if you have a 
>>> large 
>>> setup. If not, have one station alternating between 15, 20 and 40 
>>> SSB. Be as 
>>> loud as possible! That's where you'll rack up the uniques. Better to go 
>>> begging on 20 phone than have an international bitchfest that the 
>>> weak guys 
>>> can't get through cuz you're always trying for the margins. 
>>> III. Make sure you have a skilled operator for CW and 
>>> SSB who 
>>> speaks fluent Italian and/or Spanish and/or Russian…and knows how to 
>>> keep 
>>> the howling wolves at bay. 
>>> a. If necessary, make an example of a couple of egregiously bad 
>>> ops 
>>> and publicly NIL them, but only as a last resort 
>>> b. Make it plain that if you're asked to stand by, if you don't, 
>>> you 
>>> will not be logged. Period. 
>>> IV. When you first start, and when propagation is 
>>> open wide, 
>>> don't restrict callers. Loudest wins. Concentrate on rate, rate, rate 
>>> and 
>>> did I say RATE. Work the big guns. Work'em down as fast as you 
>>> possibly can. 
>>> V. When you have two wide open areas (NA and EU 
>>> working 
>>> Africa, for example), alternate EU only/NA only for reasonable times 
>>> or if 
>>> you have the stations to do it, EU on SSB, NA on CW, then switch 
>>> after an 
>>> hour or two. Or 10CW/12SSB to one continent, then the opposite. 
>>> Something 
>>> like that, so you don't p!$$ off entire continents. 
>>> VI. Understand that QRM will generally start getting 
>>> bad in 
>>> areas where frustrated ops who haven't worked you yet start getting 
>>> into the 
>>> 807s and 813s after supper their-time. 2100-0100z,then 0400z to 0700z 
>>> being 
>>> the worst, in my experience. 
>>> VII. When that slim window opens to the region (1) 
>>> mentioned 
>>> above, they get unconditional priority. Follow the terminator, but be 
>>> aware 
>>> of latecomers if possible. i.e. as the terminator moves into the US 
>>> Midwest 
>>> there may be some guys in Vermont or Georgia who are just getting 
>>> fluke good 
>>> propagation. 
>>> VIII. Keep your rates high even as the operation wears 
>>> down and 
>>> don't worry about the 100W/wire guys for a few days—assuming you're 
>>> going to 
>>> be there for 10-14 days! The more big guns you get up front, the less 
>>> effort 
>>> to work the weak guys later on. Meaning less QRM. 
>>> IX. In the second week, or last few days if a short 
>>> trip, 
>>> whittle it down to regions (NA East, NA Central, etc) and spend more 
>>> time 
>>> going after secondary targets (SA, Africa, VK/ZL, for example). Work 
>>> split 
>>> for US Generals. Pause at the top of the hour for QRP, mobile, or 
>>> 'need-for-an-ATNO' callers when things slow down. 
>>> 
>>> Use these guidelines and anything from a top-5 to a top-100 will have as 
>>> much success as possible. The threat to a good operation comes from two 
>>> fronts. (1) Southern/Eastern Europen lids (and their U.S. 
>>> counterparts) who 
>>> cannot or will not be quiet and who ignore operators' instructions; 
>>> (2) DX 
>>> Hogs who'll be after you on 22-25 slots if you let 'em. If you have a 
>>> major 
>>> operation and want to work the band/mode hunters that's wonderful. As a 
>>> hunter myself I truly welcome those 22-25 slots. But if you're a smaller 
>>> operation, there for limited time or whatever, make your intentions 
>>> in this 
>>> regard crystal clear and don't let the Clublog charts overwhelm your 
>>> operation. 
>>> 
>>> Here's an idea for those good at programming. How 'bout this. Hard-core 
>>> DXers pre-register on your Website with an email address and 
>>> callsign. When 
>>> that call works the DX and the log is uploaded at some point, the 
>>> Website 
>>> generates an email to the DXer saying "you're in the log. Please do 
>>> not call 
>>> again on this band." Positive confirmation delivered as quickly as 
>>> possible 
>>> after each upload, so the DXer knows he doesn’t have to dupe you for 
>>> insurance, but also no public leaderboard for the global circlejerk 
>>> that it 
>>> can start. 
>>> 
>>> In short, I believe the single biggest challenge that inexperienced 
>>> DXpedition teams face is not knowing who to look for when/where. 
>>> Propagation 
>>> will drive rates but at the same time, if you're a highly in-demand 
>>> location 
>>> in a difficult part of the world, you have to be prepared to sacrafice 
>>> slightly higher rates in favour of working rare areas over harder paths. 
>>> 
>>> And finally, if your operation plans to heavily rely on QSL funding, 
>>> don't 
>>> neglect that part of the globe who pays the best! Just sayin'! 
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------- 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT 
>>> 
>>> www.facebook.com/W2IRT 
>>> 
>>> From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of Dan M. Rod 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2012 10:25 PM 
>>> To: dx-n...@njdxa.org 
>>> Subject: FW: [DX-NEWS] Best Practices for DXpedition Operating 
>>> 
>>> Looking at this situation when you are on the other side(DX 
>>> Station),its 
>>> not easy to help everyone with a new one, and there are some hams 
>>> that have 
>>> your countryon the log and they try to stablish some rag chew when 
>>> you are 
>>> calling dx !,pile up went crazy ,so you must try to be pollite and 
>>> keep on 
>>> going specially when there are just 3 persons doing Dx from your 
>>> country. 
>>> 73 and keep up the good work and please enjoy HAM RADIO 
>>> 
>>> HR2WW Dan 
>>> 
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