Ray,
If you are developing for a crowd the techie crowd that typically signs up
for thecounter's free service then great! It's pretty easy to tell what the
audience is... the advertising is geared towards LINUX, Web Developers
Forum, MP3 conversion, etc. versus eBay, Walmart, Amazon, etc. The parent is
Internet.com... great site, but hardly representative of the general public.
If, on the other hand you need statistics more characteristic of the
non-technical crowd the figures provided by thecounter.com are not
representative (as they themselves point out), and may prevent broader
acceptance of you app/site. Although the "porn" figure may not be as morally
palatable as we'd like (and that figure is news to me, where can I find the
documentation?), it is probably far more accurate of the population in
general than a tech based statistic.
I am not an advocate of any stat site (if anyone knows of better sites
please let me know)! Just wanted to make sure that folks understand, if you
are relying on figure provided buy a technical community, they will have a
great deal more users with the latest and greatest gadgets/software. I'm a
UI/Human Factors guy designing apps/sites for the public... for me, this
misses the mark. The bottom line is making sure the site hits the audience
our customers target. Reaching their business goal is paramount...
technology is just a vehicle for helping them get there.
Unless folks really want to see us banter back and forth on this, I think we
should take this offline. I believe this forum is primarily for technical
issues, and I don't want to subject anyone to this if they are not
interested. I am interested in your comments, please feel free to email me
directly ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if you would like to continue the
conversation. It might also be more appropriate to talk about subjects like
this in the new chat forum.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 10:39
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
Actually, www.thecounter.com embraces ever site that signs up for the "free
service" as well as the entire Internet.com portal family.
If you go to the October global stats it included "554519878 Visitors" which
is significantly more then Hitbox. Also, Hitbox draws the bulk of their
traffic from Websidestory porno popularity portals, and considering that as
of December 2000, 51% of the wandering web is female I would assume that
Stat Marts stats are the least right of the two alternatives.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
> Just to further clarify... Doug and Raymond's statement are correct. The
> www.statmarket.com is much broader based... they collect the stats from
> anyone using 'HitBox'. There daily sample is supposed to be based on
around
> 50,000,000 hits. Unfortunately the free report uses old sample data, and
the
> subscriptions/custom demographic reports aren't cheap (about $950/report,
I
> don't even know what they charge for a full subscription).
>
> This is a list of the browsers/platforms that most of our domestic
customers
> need supported (this may differ for your clients needs. Please feel free
to
> flame me on this, I don't pretend to have the answers... just a starting
> point):
>
> Windows:
>
> IE 4.1 (SP1)
> IE 5.0
> IE 5.5
>
> NS 4.08
> NS 4.76
> NS 6.0
>
> Mac:
>
> IE 5.0 (Ugly, I know)
> NS 4.08
> NS 6.0
>
> Maybe it would make sense for someone in charge of the site to see about a
> ASP/strategic alliance (link) with an organization that provides good
> statistics. It would certianly help educate us, and lend an air of
> credability to our cross platform/cross browser code premise. Then again,
> setting up these relationships is usually a pain in the ass.
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Melvin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:23
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
>
>
> that's not 'in the world'
> All stats on that site are from visiter to that site, and
> represent ONLY visiters to that site.
> Not the world.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cameron Hart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:59 AM
> Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
>
>
> > It is quite frightening to know that 5 people in the world are using
MSIE
> > 1.x ;-)
> >
> > I mean, has anyone even seen IE 1???
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Raymond
> > > Smith
> > > Sent: 30 January 2001 05:50
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
> > >
> > >
> > > Carefull if your using the "sample stats" from there. They date back
to
> > > 1999 and reflect an older reality. Most recent browser stats I have
> found
> > > are at www.thecounter.com. From October 2000.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Ellis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:53 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
> > >
> > >
> > > > Amen brother!
> > > >
> > > > No argument here... Although we can be educated to, we cannot expect
> nor
> > > > demand which platform/browser our end-users choose. If our
> > > software is to
> > > be
> > > > taken seriously, and serve a broad community we must be reasonable
> about
> > > > which platforms/browsers we support. If you think I'm full of it,
> check
> > > the
> > > > browser/platform statistics at www.statmarket.com (don't rely on
> > > statistics
> > > > gathered by developer forums, they attract developers like us and
are
> > > > typically not representative of our products end-users).
> > > >
> > > > Mike Ellis
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: .:: OCB ::. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:15
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Next generation ???
> > > >
> > > > Would it not be a good idea to get the DynApi2 working in all
browsers
> > > > (basic methods, moveTo, event handlers etc; not wigits, IMO they
take
> a
> > > > backseat to basic functionality) before even discussing another
> > > generation
> > > > of the API.
> > > >
> > > > I haven't contributed anything in months (which is beyond my
control)
> so
> > > > feel quite apprehensive about posting this but again, IMO, it
> > > makes common
> > > > sense to get the basic's of this project crossbrowser (NN6 included)
> and
> > > bug
> > > >
> > > > free before launching into another generation of the API.
> > > >
> > > > Flame away !!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "Jared Nuzzolillo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Next Generation
> > > > >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:46:41 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a feeling that certain people are wanting to implement
> > > class-like
> > > > >inheritance because it is more familiar/comfortable to them.
> > > > >
> > > > >I strongly agree with Pascal. Prototype-based inheritance works
> > > > >beautifully,
> > > > >and is native to javascript, so why would we want to enforce a
> > > different
> > > > >type of inheritance to use the API? Most dynapi users will at least
> be
> > > > >familiar with javascript, and may be expecting Prototype-like
> behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > >It's kind of like creating a number class instead of using built in
> > > number
> > > > >objects and primitive types. It's pointeless.
> > > > >
> > > > >As far as the class/prototype argument as to what Netscape says,
the
> > > first
> > > > >line of this article:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >http://developer.netscape.com/docs/manuals/communicator/jsobj/con
> > tents.htm
> > > >
> > > >reads as follows:
> > > >
> > > >"JavaScript is an object-oriented language based on prototypes,
rather
> > > >than,
> > > >as is common, being class-based."
> > > >
> > > >-jaredn
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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