Den 03-09-14 18.12, skrev "Leif W" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Bystrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 5:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Hello List
>> Man o Man you have been busy I hope I didn't make you stay up all night > I did stay up until about 2330 which isn't too late, but I was sleepy all > day yesterday. ;-) Yepp the code does that to you >>> 2) On the first page, the content is centered in IE 6 only, and is not >>> centered in the other 3 browsers. >> Hmm ?? It should not be centered align:left > It's most definitely centered in my IE 6. Screenshot: > http://dynapi.kicks-ass.net/DynAPI_CVSROOT/test/Michael_Bystrom_IOS_-_QA/IE6_c > entered.gif Yes there it is!!! Well Have to fix that now don't I :P >>> 4) In the HTML Document demo, in IE 6, when dragging the "txt1.html" icon, >>> the image disappears, then IE starts transferring data, gets the image, then >>> displays it. I seem to remember some recent discussion about this issue >>> (how to cache images in IE using the DynAPI). The whole experience in IE is >>> affected by this. Every time anything changes, all images are either >>> reloaded or compared to the server, and it's slow. >> Is this for ALL the image swapping? >> I use this.icon.setBgImage() >> If this is the case we/I have to re-think the use of setBgImage and use >> This.icon.setHTM("<img src=''>") >> I know I did this with a client once and I changed the thumb in the >> scrollpane to use set.HTML() >>> * Note: when looking at >>> the more complex things, the entire demo is so slow I'd call it unusable or >>> unacceptable in a real-world setting. >> IOS is very complex I give you that, and I think that broadband is a >> necessity. But to call it unusable is harsh. >> >> I've let people play with it a my local library Win IE6 (where the have a >> nice set up for the school kids, broadband) and I works perfectly fine, and >> I've also set it up at local networks where I think it works best. I also >> tested in some other ways. >> >> But I would agree that IOS NEEDs a fast computer there is a lot of computing >> that is going on. >> >> On a personal note: >> I really done my best to speed things up ex. The "list.js" script is one >> example where I use id's to identify the nodes so that if we have huge >> tree's it will only change collapse the selected nodes. Just a simple setup >> is faster then using the browsers style "display" feature. > Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 was fastest, with Mozilla 1.5 beta being about 2-3 > times slower, and IE 6 being 20-30 times slower than Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1. > Some clarification on this. I had my IE 6 cache setting to check for newer > versions every visit to page. With this setting, each and every movement or > change on the page causes ALL images to be compared, and it's really > unusable. When I changed the cache setting to the other extreme, to never > look for newer versions, then it's usable, maybe 2-3 times slower than > Mozilla 1.5 beta. I have the cache (mac) IE5 setup that way too (always) but hey It's a Mac... So it works... Hehe :) > I'm using a Athlon XP 2700 with 1GB RAM 512MB swap on a cable connection at > 1.5Mbit/s down / 128 kbit/s up. So line and CPU speed isn't an issue. What > kills the performance with the cache setting to check every time, is the > overhead for creating a connection and doing the comparison. The files are > small, but when there's 100 files, and it takes about 1-2 seconds to create > a connection to the server and compare, that's easily 100-200 seconds, > nearly two minutes to over three minutes waiting for the images to all > reload, after doing something simple like for example drag a Texter about 50 > pixels in one direction. That's why I called it unusable, under those > specific circumstances. Ok I understand, I think I have to get me a Windows machine to play with, I wonder what > I could do a video screen capture but I hope my description is adequate. No need. > Further note, I have the same "check every visit to the page" cache setting > in Mozilla 1.5 beta and Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1, but they perform very well. Yes I agree > If this is specifically a browser problem, you may need to have a disclaimer > on the page that IE with cache setting to check on "every visit to the page" > will degrade performance drastically. Yes agree >>> 8) In Folder in Symbol Mode, in all browsers, there's no "taskbar" so it's >>> difficult to get to windows that lie underneath other windows, unless moving >>> or minimizing all windows above the target window. This quickly becomes >>> cumbersome. >> Are you talking about Windows like taskbar?? >> I have no plans to add such a feature, but I think it's a good Idea and will >> put it on the board. > I think it's a necessity to have something like this, yes. Even if it's > like a floating taskbar or something. What you've got is a basic windowing > system, but no window manager. Windows(tm) barely has what I'd call a > window manager, but the taskbar feature is the minimum requirement. I've started to write a WindowManager >>> 9) In Folder in Symbol Mode (and probably anything with a DynAPI window with >>> scrollbars), can't scroll with the mousewheel. It scrolls the entire >>> browser window, not the DynAPI window. >> I have no plans to include such a feature it. > This is a great inconvenience as most people nowadays have a mouse wheel, > and it greatly increases efficiency using a windowed environment. Maybe if > you port this to DynAPI 3.x I'll try and add the feature. :) Ok >>> 11) In all demos, in all browsers, double clicking on the text label of >>> something selects the text in addition to the expected behaviour or opening >>> the file, folder, or starting the app. >> Yes I know this I know of no way a fix this. > Think this bug was fixed in DynAPI3. I will look into it. >>> 13) In ColorRGB, all browsers. Browser's scrollbars show that there's more >>> content on the page, but there's no visible elements and there should be no >>> scrollbars expected. >> >> I don't understand what you mean > > In the browser, when I first click on the ColorRGB demo link, the new > browser window opens, and there's no scrolling. When I double-click on > ColorRGB(), then scrollbars appear, which look as if only 20% of the page is > being displayed. So I scroll down and there's nothing there. Screenshot > (note the scrollbar on the right side): > http://dynapi.kicks-ass.net/DynAPI_CVSROOT/test/Michael_Bystrom_IOS_-_QA/Color > RGB_scrolling.gif Aha, jepp I know abaut this, the ie's scrollbars does not know that the RGB's scrollpane is clipped it thinks it just goes on... > No comments to 21, 22? Sorry missed them. >>> 21) In Texter App Mode (and all other dragable / resiable elements), in all >>> browsers. All four size should allow resizing of the window in the >>> specified direction only. All 4 corners should allow simultaneous resizing >>> in both directions specified. Currently only the lower-right is resizable. Jepp that's the way I like it, I know Windows has that but I've always used the corner, BUT I'm seriously thinking about making the window pane borders part of the dragable window. >>> 22) In Texter App Mode (and all other dragable / resiable elements), in all >>> browsers. There needs to be an indication when the mouse is over a >>> button, or a draggable area. Well I thought of that but decided that the less clutter there is the faster the app will run, I don't want to evoke a onmouseover a trigger a method for each thing... All that glimmer isn't gold :O) >>> Maybe change to a reverse highlight for menu >>> buttons, or like any apps in Windows, a little box with shading appears >>> around the items in the menu bar. In windows when moving the mouse over a >>> resizable element, the mouse pointer changes to some arrows. Yes I could change the cursor to change for the resize corner, yes On the board >>> While this may not be easy to do in all browsers, you can change the thing >>> underneath the mouse i.e. make the left border change highlighted colors >>> when mouse over, etc.. >>> Also, having "resizable" or "draggable" hotspots look "grippy" >>> somehow, instead of all the same grey, might be an option, or might not. Hehe well that's why I have a theme system so that YOU can design a new skin I have a new skin that I will include with the 3.0 port. :) >> 23,24,25) Yes! I can not fix this. > Yep, just thought I'd be complete in my QA. ;-) We've seen this in DynAPI > 3x, someone reported to Mozilla, and they said it was a duplicate of another > bug they were already aware of. But didn't say when they were to fix it. > Maybe we should be squeakier / noiseier to Mozilla? Or are we too squeaky > already? Mozilla team has fixed all the bugs I've reported exept the key events, but they have dropped support for mac OS9+ so there will never be a fix. I will be moving over to MacX soon. They usually listen a fix stuff. Nice people. > No comments 26-34? No. I will rewrite the Viewer and your suggestions and input is noted. The viewer was written as a test for me if I could see a Futerama Cartoon and then I just added a buch of stuff... Need to rethink some things. >> Leif Thanks for your input very helpful, thanks a million. Really :) >> A little sad that you think it's unusable (but if it is because image cache, >> this will be fixed) > > Ah, hope I cleared this up earlier, but it IS usable in Mozilla 1.5 beta and > Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 (except for the Mozilla family specific input event > bug), and it was only unusable in IE 6 with the image caching issue while > checking on every visit to the page. " Yes I now cleared the "cache of this... Hehe >> IOS was written on a 300hz Macintosh powerbook and all of the examples are >> work perfectly fine and fast. (on mozilla, it does not matter what api you >> use or if you hard code on IE5, it does not handle complex dhtml very >> well... And this will NEVER change since Microsoft has discontinued the >> browser) >> >> I know that IOS and DynEditor can work perfect on Windows too, I just have >> to get my hands on one of those machines > > Wish I could help out. If you lived a little closer I'd let you borrow one. > ;-) If I had a faster connection I'd let you VNC into one. Well I just have to let go of my pride and for the first time buy a (dare to say it) Windows PC... Usch. :) >> Now I going to crawl under my house and install a new antenna system. Ijust >> installed a brand new (read HUGE THX 3 preamps and 4 tvs) Hometheater and my >> girlfriend finally got that tv in our bathroom. > > BATHROOM?!?! Wow... > > Leif Yepp we have a huge bathroom and now she can lay in the bathtub and watch movies. No surround system yet... But maybe later :) >> Life is sweet >> Michael >> >> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Michael Bystrom >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:48 AM >>> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Hello List >>> >>> >>> Hi there dynapi folks >>> >>> I just signed on and wanted to let you guys know that I've been playing >>> around with dynapi for a while now and the result is IOS (internet > operating >>> system) >>> >>> IOS is a virtual OS. It creates a virtual desktop in your browser > window. >>> You can drag, drop, move, open, close, type and more >>> >>> I'm using a older version 2.55 ( I now see that you have a version 3 :) >>> nice ) that has been modified for the Macintosh platform, the dynapi is > NOT >>> Mac friendly. >>> >>> I only using the dynapi for object creation and events >>> >>> I've written a written a bunch of new widgets that works fine on the >>> Macintosh and windows for that matter.... :) >>> >>> I've just released the first version and would like you guys to help out >>> with some debugging, code suggestions, new widgets etc... >>> >>> I got some cool ideas for IOS in the future and would like to see it > grow. >>> >>> Go to http://www.michaelbystrom.com download and play >>> >>> I could say a million more things but I'll save it for a another day. >>> >>> Nice day... >>> Michael ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Dynapi-Dev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
