Pascal "I have an immense fear of Rocks" Bestebroer authored a set of
skinable widgets. They can be found at his site "unsupported" and also
Richards site "a little rusty" meaning they need to be updated to newsest
API methods.. ie, precreate, etc. Not sure if Richard "I want every Widget"
Bennett has had a chance to update them or not.
Laters,
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] true 9 browser support with dynAPI 2?
> e.g. skinnable window or ibswindow
>
> equavalent to java Frame
>
> Michael Pemberton wrote:
>
> > what do you mean by window?
> >
> > Alex Chong wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I think I am posting too much messages in a day. I hope I am not
being too
> > > noisy. Please let me know if I am irritating. I am really keen on
working with
> > > Dynapi.
> > >
> > > The Dynapi released on 25/1/2001 does not have window. Some other
widgets that
> > > can be useful includes menu and menubar. DynPanel can be instroduced
so that
> > > developers can avoid from inherriting from DynLayer directly (because
DynLayer
> > > will change forever).
> > >
> > > Most important of all, what I am proposing is that these widgets to be
formally
> > > announced as Core Widgets that will stay in every future release, and
they do
> > > not change their functions (additional functions are OK, but old one
doesnt get
> > > change).
> > >
> > > Alex Chong
> > >
> > > Richard Bennett wrote:
> > >
> > > > We have all these + more, except Panel
> > > > Normally the widget model seems to have gravitated towards what it
is now,
> > > > the changes between last release and this one where not accidental,
the
> > > > precreation code was introduced to speed loading time/memory use,
once the
> > > > API stabilizes, the changes will indeed become less dramatic.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are not comparing DynaCore (http://www.dynamic-core.net/) with
DynAPI by
> > > > any chance? (which have different widgets)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Richard Bennett
> > > >
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > www.richardinfo.com
> > > > (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of
DynAPI2)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Alex Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:05 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] true 9 browser support with dynAPI 2?
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, thanks for the feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the core set of widgets changes from release to release! More
> > > > importantly,
> > > > > the core set of widgets are incomplete and does not anticipate for
widget
> > > > > development. A more concrete suggestion is to include most of the
> > > > 'widgets'
> > > > > found in the AWT library of Java. For examples:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Button
> > > > > 2. Label
> > > > > 3. Panel
> > > > > 4. Scrollbar
> > > > > 5. Scrollpane
> > > > > 6. Window
> > > > >
> > > > > 7. LoadPane (which Dynapi already has)
> > > > >
> > > > > and most important of all, whereas the implementation of the core
widgets
> > > > can
> > > > > change, the interface/functions of the widgets must never change.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex Chong
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Bennett wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Well yes, of course you are right, but isn't that what we are
doing?
> > > > > > There IS a base set of widgets included with the release, which
have
> > > > been
> > > > > > updated, (button, list, dynimage, label, loadpanel, pushpanel,
> > > > scrollbar,
> > > > > > scrollpane, viewport etc)
> > > > > > <<or you can tag it as 'deprecated' like in Java
> > > > > > This is done already, for instance in the source of
sprite.js.(in other
> > > > > > wording)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Richard Bennett
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > www.richardinfo.com
> > > > > > (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of
> > > > DynAPI2)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Alex Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 3:18 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] true 9 browser support with dynAPI 2?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok, frankly speaking, I was discouraged by Dynapi sometimes
but I do
> > > > have
> > > > > > high
> > > > > > > hopes for it. Before I put up my ideas, I would like to make
clear
> > > > that I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > been following the forum discussion and read the f.a.q. (more
than 2
> > > > times
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > the faq).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here's my 5 cents worth: I think the frequent updates of the
library
> > > > is
> > > > > > not a
> > > > > > > problem. The problem is actually the huge impact on the
widgets when
> > > > > > Dynapi
> > > > > > > changes because every widgets extends/inherrits Dynlayer,
which in
> > > > turn
> > > > > > uses the
> > > > > > > events....etc. There are many 'design patterns' that we can
apply to
> > > > > > minimize
> > > > > > > the impact but since Pascal officially 'warned' me not to go
into the
> > > > > > discussion
> > > > > > > of superclasses (Object Oriented Programming), I will avoid
this
> > > > issues.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How about this, we can define a set of widgets, let us call
them the
> > > > Core
> > > > > > > Widgets. For each release of Dynapi2, we make sure that this
set of
> > > > Core
> > > > > > > Widgets get updated. In this case, developers (like me, at
least) can
> > > > > > use, not
> > > > > > > only Dynlayer, but also the Core Widgets as a foundation to
build
> > > > other
> > > > > > fancy
> > > > > > > widgets.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > State for example, the Core Widgets can be: DynButton,
DynLabel,
> > > > > > DynScrollbar,
> > > > > > > DynPanel...etc.
> > > > > > > Then I can build a calendar widgets that inherrits DynPanel,
and uses
> > > > lots
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > DynButtons in it so that when user clicks on a day, the
particular day
> > > > > > will be
> > > > > > > highlighted and so on. In this case, even if there are major
changes
> > > > to
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > events and Dynlayer, my calendar widgets will still work, as
long as
> > > > the
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > release of the library comes with the corresponding set of
> > > > CoreWidgets.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This idea can then be extended to having a DynLayerInterface
class
> > > > which
> > > > > > > internally uses DynLayer. In this case, DynLayer will do all
the
> > > > dirty
> > > > > > works
> > > > > > > trying to perform different operations for different browsers.
> > > > > > > DynLayerInterface on the other hand, have a set of functions
like
> > > > setSize,
> > > > > > > setWidth, addMoustListener....etc that never change (because
all these
> > > > > > functions
> > > > > > > do is to call the equivalent functions in DynLayer). As a
widget
> > > > > > developer, all
> > > > > > > we do is that we inherrit from DynLayerInterface rather than
DynLayer.
> > > > > > From
> > > > > > > time to time, DynLayerInterface may have added functions but
the old
> > > > ones
> > > > > > > definitely remains (or you can tag it as 'deprecated' like in
Java).
> > > > Then
> > > > > > at
> > > > > > > least we know that our widgets will work for at least a few
release of
> > > > > > future
> > > > > > > DynApi2.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Comments appreciated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Alex Chong
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pascal Bestebroer wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For one, Mac browsers are not fully supported (Mac problems)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Alot of the widgets and other examples might actually brake
because
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > problems with the Widgets.
> > > > > > > > I understand that most people still think Widgets ARE the
DynAPI,
> > > > but at
> > > > > > > > this point Widgets are extensions / examples of DynAPI code.
Seeing
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > DynAPI code is still being worked on and
changed/modified/updated
> > > > > > Widgets
> > > > > > > > might work one day , and fail another.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't think that making comments like "this is very
discouraging"
> > > > do
> > > > > > > > anything at all (at least not for me) this is Opensource, so
> > > > EVERYONE
> > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > help fix problems.. There are some very skilled developers
working
> > > > on
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > project, and I truly believe that eventually a 100% working
DynAPI
> > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > produced.... for v5- browsers.. v6+ browser will then be the
next
> > > > > > problem to
> > > > > > > > tackle.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another thing about your mail, if you make comments like
these,
> > > > please
> > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > us the problems your having.. and make sure to have read the
f.a.q.
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > tutorials. (maybe we should make these things available as
the first
> > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > people see on the dynapi site)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > anyway for now read the faq at
> > > > > > > > http://www.dynamic-core.net/core/files/faq.dynapi2.html for
more
> > > > info on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > DynAPI2.
> > > > > > > > there are also tutorials available at sourceforge, but they
seem to
> > > > be
> > > > > > > > broken because of sourceforge.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And I can safely say that the main core of the code will
work on
> > > > > > > > IE4,5,NS4,NS6 at least on Windows (and I think Linux) ..
there will
> > > > > > ofcourse
> > > > > > > > be bugs, but without the DynAPI code you'll have a much
harder time
> > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > things to work cross-browser.. because browsers are very
> > > > discouraging.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > (guess these comments DO get to me :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Pascal Bestebroer
> > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > http://www.dynamic-core.net
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > > > > > > > > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens
Elisabet
> > > > Frazer
> > > > > > > > > Verzonden: donderdag 8 februari 2001 17:32
> > > > > > > > > Aan: dynAPI help
> > > > > > > > > Onderwerp: [Dynapi-Help] true 9 browser support with
dynAPI 2?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What I don't get is if and if not (and if not, so why
not), the
> > > > aim
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > dynAPI 2 is to support major functionality in (at least)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Internet Explorer 4 Windows
> > > > > > > > > Internet Explorer 4.x Mac (4.0 can be omitted in IMHO)
> > > > > > > > > Netscape 4 Windows
> > > > > > > > > Netscape 4 Mac
> > > > > > > > > Internet Explorer 5 Windows
> > > > > > > > > Internet Explorer 5 Mac
> > > > > > > > > Internet Explorer 5.5 Windows
> > > > > > > > > Netscape 6 Windows
> > > > > > > > > Netscape 6 Mac (More or less the same?)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I regard Opera and iCab support as luxury at the time
being.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Why do I get the impression most people really don't care
to tell
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > browser can't show a specific implementation of dynAPI 2?
So many
> > > > > > > > > examples break without comment and this is very
discouraging.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > WonderGirl
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Elisabet
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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