>From: "Michael Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >That is not what I mean't, I didn't mean that YOU support thieves. From what I've read on this list you have issues with the egold guys over something like this already. My poiht is that yes a million bucks is a lot of money. But ten thousand bucks is a lot of money too. If someone is ripping someone else off for ten thousand teh deal goes through. If it is for one million it doesn't. If there are special provisions for the one million transaction there should be provisions for all transactions or SOME indication of where teh cut off point is. Why all this pretending that egold and Omnipay are separate companies??? Egold and Omnipay are run by the same people according to posts to this list. Let's try this little test. Someone called Omnipay complaining that there were irregularities iwth Costa, etc., etc., etc. What would happen if a bunch of us called up crying about irregularities with $100K transactions? $10K transactions? $1K transactions? $100 transactions? At some point when Omnipay has enough money to actually write the checks tehy'll tell us to take a hike and read whichever user agreement they find convenient. When thye donm't have enough money in the bank they'll pull out all the stops to "help" and post explanations to teh list. Why is it that when these guys are wearing their egold hat it is OK for them to say that transactions are irreversable but whenthe exact same guys are wearing their Omnipay hat it is OK for them to reverse? This company is underfunded and scared of large transactions. Pure and simple. --- 2.3. Protection of Passphrase 2.3.1. User is responsible for the protection of User�s Passphrase that gives access to User�s e-gold account. User agrees that, in the event of the loss or misuse of User�s Passphrase, Issuer disclaims all liability for such loss. User shall indemnify and hold harmless Issuer for relying on transactions authorized using User�s Passphrase prior to such time as User notifies Issuer that User�s Passphrase has been compromised. 2.3.2. User acknowledges and accepts that in the case of a claim of unauthorized Spends, the presumption shall be that all Spends are authorized by and are the liability of the User. However, if User establishes to the satisfaction of Issuer that value was diverted from User�s Account due to a breach of e-gold system security, then Issuer shall restore the diverted value. 2.3.3. User must not divulge User�s Passphrase to anyone else, nor may User use anyone else�s Passphrase. User agrees that Issuer will treat any person accessing User�s account using User�s Passphrase as the User. 2.3.4. Issuer is not responsible for losses incurred by User as the result of User�s misuse of a Passphrase. 2.3.5. User agrees that any action taken by any person using User�s Passphrase shall be binding on User and all other parties with an interest in that account. 2.4. Irrevocability of Spends 2.4.1. User agrees that all Spends initiated by User are final and not reversible. 2.4.2. User is responsible for all Spends from User�s e-gold account, except as provided in section 2.3, even if the instructions provided by User are incorrect. 2.5. Disputes Between Users 2.5.1. Any disputes that arise between Users are not the responsibility of Issuer. 2.5.2. User acknowledges that e-gold is not an escrow service, and that Issuer does not make any guarantees regarding purchases made when using the e-gold service. User acknowledges that Issuer does not ensure the quality, safety, or legality of any merchandise received, nor that the seller will even ship the merchandise. 2.6. Indemnification User agrees to indemnify and hold harmless Issuer, its agents, affiliates officers, directors and employees from any claim or demand whatsoever relating to or arising out of User�s use of the e-gold system, except for any loss caused by negligence or willful misconduct of Issuer. --- >I was pointing out that > >quote. > >Specifically, we have received communications indicating that the >password(s) for Costa Gold have been compromised due to inadequate >security at Costa Gold, and have also received these conflicting >instructions: > >2. Instructions to fulfill the orders immediately. > >3. Instructions to stabilize the value. > >4. Instructions to cancel the orders and refund the e-gold. > >end quote. > >under those circumstances which instruction would YOU accept without >verification? Depends on if I am wearing my egold hat, Omnipay hat, or underfunded company hat. >It appears from your answer any instructions blindly accepted will do. egold says 2.4.1. User agrees that all Spends initiated by User are final and not reversible. I agree with egold who is run by THE SAME EXACT GUYS WHO RUN OMNIPAY!!! The only logical alternative would be that I disagree with egold's irreversability policy. THE SAME EXACT GUYS are pursuing conflicting policies depending on which side of their mouths they are talking out of. I couldn't care less whether Costa or any of the other scams that egold supports loses money or not. All I want is consistency in the policies and their enforcement. There are a lot of us out here who have some significant business to transact and I DON"T mean pyramid scams! But none of us will touch egold with anything significant until they get their story straight or we find something better. >kindly duplicate what I am saying without infering I condone criminal >actitvity That was an unfortunate use of the word "you" in my previous message. I meant "one". I followed your story a few months ago and apologize for implying that you were what egold accused you of. By the way why aren't you listed as an egold market maker? Did you get out of the business or were you kicked out? KR _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [email protected] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
