RJ, <snip>
> Backwards, no. There never will be a perfect government so > long as greed and > selfish desire are among the pitfalls of man. Those are not pitfalls. They are virtues. Acting on those virtues in an immoral way (such as using violence and/or fraud) is the pitfall. Acting on those virtues, while respecting the virtues of others, brings wealth, prosperity, and happiness. Additionally, the best government is that which governs least, and only serves to preserve man's rights to morally pursue his selfish desires. What we have is > what we must > deal with... Why is hiding not a way to deal with what we have? Is hiding immoral? Why? >unfortunate for some, prosperous for others. Prospering on the government-enforced misfortune of others is immoral. > Whenever man tries > his best to perform the right "thing", someone, somewhere will > always > disagree and at the same time, suffer. I believe that there is room to disagree with someone and not suffer, especially in a free society where the initiation of force (by private citizens and government) is outlawed, except under extreme circumstances. > It's the way of the > world. I still > stand firm on my belief that until we're perfect, we must > accept what is and > what can never be... Human society advances exactly by not accepting what is and trying to achieve what can never be... the federal government does do a good > job... The feral gummint does do a good job of using fear and intimidation to further its ever-growing ends. look at > this nation - we're strong, We're stong, but we're also bullies. (Waco, Ruby Ridge, shooting down missionary airplanes with innocents on board in the name of the war on people errr drugs). A whole assortment of victimless crimes on the books is another example of government's attempt to control everything. >we're fat, we're wealthy, How do you measure wealth? If you buy everything you own on credit, are you wealthy? I hope that is not how you measure your own personal wealth. But that is how the government measures it. I'll say no more because there are people on this list who are much more familiar with macro and socio-economics to comment further. > and > we're free. Who is free? The non-conformist is not free. Anyone who doesn't follow any number of millions of intertwining federal, state, local rules and regulations is not free. Alexis de Tocqueville (a European writer/philosopher touring early American cities) predicted the new government's power over its subjects would be detailed, regular and provident: "It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but is softened, bent and guided; men seldom are forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such power does not destroy, but it prevents existence. It does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd." Just because some people, you among them, do not or did not yet see reason to butt heads with government, does not make you free. If a sheep is content to wander within its confined space, and thinks it is free, is it really? Does the sheep notice that its brethren are, periodically, taken out of the confined space for unknown purposes? It does not. Humans do. I do. Do you? > What > else do people want? More? I believe that is human nature. <snip> > Lawyers are white collar criminals in my humble opinion. I > cannot stand > lawyers. The only reason I have ever seen the need for a > lawyer was simply > to decipher some of the mumbo-jumbo called law... and I don't > mean the > simple laws... I'm talking the laws that contradict themselves > and cannot be > understood without education. It's almost like it's own > language. I'm a lawyer. > To be completely honest with you, yes I am very happy with our > current form > of government. Maybe not 100% of the time, although, very > happy. It's the > non-conformists and anti-governmental figures of our community > that irritate > me. "Non-conformist" and "anti-governmental". The framers of the constitution of the United States of America would have irritated you to no end... > You cause problems for your neighbor and you can > definitely expect > trouble. I think we are in agreement that causing trouble (either to property or person) should bring trouble to the problem maker. But we are not talking about crimes to the person or property. For example, I don't see how not following FinCen rules would make Mr. Gaithman or Mr. Kelly your enemy. If I do not trust Mr. Gaithman or Mr. Kelly, and I want to FORCE them to fill out paperwork, change their procedures, spend additional money and other resources, then am I not the one who is the enemy attacking their property? > The only thing that will change the current > methodology is > revolution... anyone ready for senseless bloodshed of our own > countrymen? No one is advocating bloodshed, except as a last resort. But I think even you will agree that at a certain point (and the Declaration of Independence attempts to define this point) bloodshed is necessary to throw-off the bonds of a tyrannical government. "The tree of liberty must, from time to time, be replenished with the blood of patriots." > I'm not... GOD will take care of it... not you or I... You and God may do what you wish. I make my own decisions and accept responsibility for my actions. > Me too... I have simply learned to deal with what I cannot > change as I am > one man... hell Ragnar, even 100,000 men couldn't make a > difference. > Ya'know? That all depends on what kind of difference? Have you read the Planet Gold interview with the head of the Free State Project? I believe he mentioned that 20,000 is enough to make a major difference. http://planetgold.com/interview.asp?SPID=01253372 > Ragnar, I am glad that you didn't go cold on me over this... > we usually can > get out of control pretty quick lately. Opinions are just > that, a simple > view from a simple citizen. We all have them and we all don't > always seem to > agree... it's up to us to work together and not against each > other. I have > always felt that when another person expresses their opinion, > and I express > mine, we should learn from one another... not try to choke > each other out > because we disagree. I hope that I was successful in following this format. > Thanks for the polite response.... it was warmly welcomed and > greatly > appreciated. Ditto. <snip> Regards, Ragnar ===== Liberty Impact! Check out this free, hard-hitting weekly newsletter about privacy, liberty, offshore banking, tax avoidance & digital currencies. http://www.libertyimpact.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [email protected] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
