BTW I was using Forte for a while and though  I didn't liked the visual
formatting tool I was facinated with the "structure" box. It shows you the
containment hierarchy of all the Swing components. It's makes the quite easy
to understand what exactly you are looking at. May be something like this
could be added in the next version of Idea (when the open API is released)?
-dimiter

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> Subject: RE: [Eap-list] OFFTOPIC: Swing GUI design
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> 
> > > So I wonder if there is a good
> > > Swing GUI designer (that does not have the overhead of a
> > > full blown IDE)
> > > that could be used together with IDEA, i.e. IDEA for coding
> > > and the other
> > > tool for GUI editing like in JBuilder.
> >
> >as far as I know, there exists no usable Swing-Builder. The only way
> >to produce good, clean and fast Swing code is to code by hand. And if
> >you know what you're doing you're even faster than anyone using a
> >graphical builder.
> 
> I agree totally with you. GUI-builders are something for 
> novices. I would 
> like IntelliJ to concentrate on things, that other IDE's 
> don't have, like 
> smooth refactoring and things (smart code-completion...), that really 
> decrease the time-to-market.
> 
> Best regards,
> Thomas Singer
> 
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