Just for my understanding of Subversion: Do you want Subversion to track each of your actions immediately? I prefer to develop (maybe without any version control system active) and if it's fine, I commit the whole project-snapshot. I'm sure, Subversion can't help me, because from the snapshot point of view, it can't know, whether I deleted directory "olddir" and created directory "newdir" or a renamed directory "olddir" to "newdir".
Tom At 18:19 07.03.2002 -0600, you wrote: >I will play again my subversion (replacement of CVS ><http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4768>http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4768) > >card here. > > > >CVS is a bad example of advanced CM system. One of its deficiency is >directory versioning. Subversion will fix that. Clearcase has had that for >a long time. > >I know that some of you guys are going to start telling me again that >IntelliJ should not invest time in integrating with every VCM system. And >I would agree as long as IntelliJ provides a VCM interface that is the >superset of all important DEVELOPMENT features of VCMs out there (I insist >on DEVELOPMENT because not all features of a VCM would be used by a >developer on a day to day basis). > >Directory versioning (rename/move a file/directory) is such very important >feature that should be taken very seriously by the IntelliJ guys: > >1) It cannot be integrated with the current External Tool api because you >would invoke a rename through the Rename/Move refactoring command. > >2) It makes your agile development staff more productive as a whole. > > > >I think IntelliJ s main competition is now coming from eclipse. The >upcoming 2.0 release of eclipse (same timeframe as Ariadna release) will >include support for VCM aware move and rename. > > > >Clearcase and subversion have a mv command. Eclipse will use it on its >refactoring. IntelliJ should do the same. > > > >Franckly I have been a huge proponent of IntelliJ up to now but I will >have a hard time staying with it even though I think it is much better >otherwise, once eclipse release their new VCM plugin API with rename support. > > > >The smart move from IntelliJ and they do not lack smart people would be to >provide as soon as possible an open VCM API so people can integrate their >own CM. We use CVS and clearcase. We would easily build a clearcase plugin. > >Again I am not asking for a complete open api for intellij, just the vcm >aspect. In addition the VCM API could evolve without a lot of impact on >users. For example it could only address the move case for now. Then they >could migrate current features to the VCM API one by one. People would >migrate their External tool integration into the VCM API. > > > >Sorry for the long post but it is an important issue. Our group is now 150 >java developers. We haven t decided yet on which IDE we are going to >standardize (IntelliJ or Eclipse) but the sooner this things comes the >more people will start working on Ariadna and be hooked on it. > > > > > >Why do we do a lot of rename/move: We use eXtreme Programming as our >development methodology. XP tells us to do the "Simplest thing that >possibly work". So we start with a few package and only split packages >when it becomes too big. We also are not afraid to change the name of a >class if it does reflect its new responsibility. > > > >Why is directory versioning so important: it makes my team more efficient >and my development process simpler. If you do a lot of move/rename like we >do (see footnote why) and use CVS to do parallel development with >collective ownership of the code you want to have the underlying VCM >system know about move and rename if it is capable (CVS won t). That way >if 2 people concurrently change the name of a file and change its content >the VCM would still know that we are speaking about the same file when its >time to merge the 2 changes. I can do my rename anytime and I do not have >to lock the VCM to be able to safely move something. Most likely without >it I would not repackage/rename my software which in an XP environment >would have a very negative impact on quality. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On >Behalf Of Fedor Karpelevitch >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 3:39 PM >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >Subject: RE: [Eap-list] cvs and refactoring... > > > >It is in context menu -> Refactor -> Move... or simply F6 (Is that from NC? > >:-) > > > >-- > >fedor. > > > >---- > >Learned men are the cisterns of knowledge, not the fountainheads. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Keith Chew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:20 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: RE: [Eap-list] cvs and refactoring... > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot find a Move Classes method. > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > > Behalf Of Fedor Karpelevitch > > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 5:46 p.m. > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [Eap-list] cvs and refactoring... > > > > > > > > > create the new folder (com/abccompany/message) > > > select all classes in the old package, do "Move classes" and > > > select the new > > > package as destination. you get the result yo wanted > > > > > > ����������� 04 ���� 2002 05:58 pm, �� ��������: > > > > Hi fedor > > > > > > > > Maybe I did not make myself clear. > > > > > > > > I want to rename a folder. What is the best way to do this > > > in IntelliJ? eg > > > > > > > > I want to change: > > > > > > > > com.mycompany.message > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > com.abccompany.message > > > > > > > > I cannot use the refactor feature of IntelliJ because the > > > folder is CVS > > > > controlled. > > > > > > > > Keith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > > > > Behalf Of Fedor Karpelevitch > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2002 11:01 a.m. > > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > > > > Subject: RE: [Eap-list] cvs and refactoring... > > > > > > > > > > > > CVS does not allow you to remove directories. So IDEA > > > should not remove > > > > anything. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Eap-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Eap-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Eap-list mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list _______________________________________________ Eap-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intellij.com/mailman/listinfo/eap-list
