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Subject: Re: [eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] CSS and declarative UI round up


Hi David, 

The latter.  Here's the e4 summit page, although I'm not sure how much it 
helps: 

http://wiki.eclipse.org/E4/DeclarativeUI 

What we're looking at is declarative technology as another way to build UIs in 
the Eclipse platform.  At the CSS level, this would be a CSS parser to read in 
the CSS files, likely some SWT support so the styles would be applied directly 
to the widgets on creation, an approach to mapping CSS concepts like ID, Class, 
pseudo class, to Eclipse concepts, understanding the role of JFace in all this, 
etc.  Other related declarative technologies worth considering are XForms for 
building wizards/dialogs/editors/etc. although I suspect our plates will be 
full just looking at CSS technology. 

This initial effort is really around CSS enabling technologies but other 
declarative approaches are worth considering at this early juncture. 

We haven't yet discussed editing environments or tooling.  It'd be great if you 
could at some point present the CSS Editor in WTP.  Perhaps we could do it 
sometime after this first technology evaluation?  That would seem to dovetail 
nicely. 

Hope that clarified.  I know its tough keeping up with all the conversations. 

Cheers, 
Kevin 





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I realize that me not knowing exactly what you are asking for doesn't bode well 
:)   ... but, what does this encompass? 

CSS Editing? 
or, more a CSS Rendering Runtime? 

If the former, I'd like the CSS Editor in WTP considered and would be happy to 
present., if there's interest. 

Thanks, 




From:   Kevin McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Date:   06/23/2008 02:59 PM 
Subject:        [eclipse-incubator-e4-dev] CSS and declarative UI round up



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Hi folks, 

Over the course of discussions, many folks have come forth with a favorite CSS/ 
declarative-UI implementation.  So much to choose from!  So much to know!  As a 
first step, I thought it'd be helpful for us to have a roundup of them all so 
we can discuss their pros and cons.  Eventually we'd all like to see some 
working CSS code in e4 eclipse.org repo and at the moment it seems the main 
problem is we have too many to choose from (a great problem to have!). 

What I had in mind was: 

*       Those who have some technology they'd like to bring forth prepare a 
small presentation of its pros and cons. 
*       We have a call where they are presented.  We can as a group then better 
understand our requirements and which technologies fit those. 
*       Ideally we would have three presentations of 1/2 hour each (including 
discussion), plus wrap up discussion, so two hours max for the call.  I'd 
prefer a shorter call but I don't think that's realistic.  If we have more than 
three presentations then we can split it into two calls, since I don't know 
about you but my attention span nears zero after 2 hours. 
*       Our goals should be selecting the technology which will be the initial 
commit for the purpose of investigation.  We may change our minds later, but we 
need to start with something.  If there are two (or more) favorite technologies 
we can commit both, like we have the EMF/non-EMF modelling work.  


What do folks think? 

If we like this approach, I'd suggest we aim for a call in approximately two 
weeks, to folks time to prep. 

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