I'm not sure why we'd want to write our own SAC parser. Its a lot of work 
and there are clearly existing technologies which, while maybe not perfect 
fits, are better than starting from scratch. 

I'd much rather work with an existing community supporting Flute or Batik 
(assuming such communities exist, the Flute files are all 2002 so not 
clear if its dead code or not).  Just as with Eclipse, you see if the 
community is open to making the changes you need. If they are, you help 
make those changes.  This gets you the technology you need, and meanwhile 
furthers that community.  Everyone wins!  And its a very efficient use of 
developer resources which are always scarse.  I'd rather spend those 
cycles doing something more specific to Eclipse (like nice style sheets, 
like a UI model, etc.).

Regards,
Kevin





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Yes, and maybe not only a parser.

SWT burden lots of legacy, which I not known about, and nice to hear 
details.

2008/8/9 Kevin McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Thanks for moving the comment to this thread.  I still don't understand 
what
> you are saying though :)
>
> Do you mean we should implement a CSS parser from scratch rather than 
use
> batik or flute?
>
> Also not sure about your comment on SWT.  It has lots of legagy burden,
> Steve will tell you!
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
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> Since the current CSS shoes not fit our feet, why not consider a fully 
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> CSS?
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> And SWT has not any legacy burden and weight.
>
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> 2008/8/9 Kevin McGuire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Angelo brought up CSS namespaces, I think this is an important topic
>>> that hasn't been discussed here yet.
>>
>> Sigh... yes.
>>
>>> The question is how to specify
>>> custom widget types in CSS. With SWT, the widget names are 
unambiguous,
>>> but custom widgets can involve name collisions.
>>>
>>> Using CSS namespaces would be an option, although I would then opt for
>>> using a default namespace for SWT to avoid clutter. The CSS could look
>>> like this:
>>>
>>>    @namespace "org.eclipse.swt.widgets";
>>>    @namespace my "my.name.space";
>>>
>>>    Label {
>>>      color;red;
>>>    }
>>>
>>>    my|Label {
>>>      color;red;
>>>    }
>>>
>>> On the other hand, some frequently used SWT widgets live in
>>> "org.eclipse.swt.custom" (CLabel, CCombo, CTabFolder, ...), so those
>>> would have to be prefixed as well (which I somehow dislike):
>>>
>>>    swtcustom|CLabel {
>>>      color: blue;
>>>    }
>>
>> Agree, I dislike it too. It's annoying to clutter the typical case (SWT
>> widgets, regardless of whether they are custom or not).
>>
>>> Moreover, CSS 3 is not yet widely adopted and the available parsers do
>>> not support it out-of-the-box.
>>
>> Good point.
>>
>>> An alternative to CSS namespaces could be some kind of mapping between
>>> widget classes and CSS element names.
>>
>> I think this is a reasonable approach. Extended widgets outside of SWT
>> would
>> need some form of qualified name, not so much to prevent clashing with 
SWT
>> since presumably everyone avoids that, but to prevent clashing with 
each
>> other.  The element names can be whatever we want them to be, since its
>> our
>> code that'll do the mapping from CSS to widget method calls.  So we 
could
>> solve it without resorting to CSS name spaces, for example by requiring
>> that
>> extended widgets register their names with us in some qualified fashion
>> (e.g. NebulaGallery).  Kinda hacky but would work.
>>
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