Michael asked me to please forward his reply to me, and here it is. I very much appreciate his response. Also, I'd like to note that IMHO the "Dems" haven't done much of a job of protecting wilderness or nonhuman species either, in addition to many of the other things that have been mentioned. They could have tried to get the ESA reauthorized well before this last election, but Nooo... Anyway, it looks like this string is moving toward reconciliation, and I hope this forwarding will further the process. Ronnie ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 8 May 95 10:42:49 PDT From: Michael Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ronnie Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: divisiveness Hi Ronnie, et al, Ronnie makes several good points about divisive language. I agree and opologize for my tone. I must admit I committed several 'sins' in my last post. I was irritated with someone else's post and responed emotionally. My opologies to the members of the list. I too am ultimately looking for bridges to deal with the problems we face. I still think however that mainstream environmental groups (with strong ties to the democrtaic party) have historically spent more time and resources preserving 'wilderness' than dealing with other environmental issues that probably don't effect most mainstream environmentalist e.g.working on wlderness bills vrs. pesticides issues as they affect farmworkers, etc. I think that is a fair analysis and is not meant to divide us.(BTW, I never said 'white' liberals). I'm particularly attracted to ecofem philosophy because it does include humans. Ultimately, that is the point we will rally most people around...how ecological destruction affects the human race. As well we should, for greater than 1/3 of the human race is suffering the results of ecological destruction now. I'm just not of the mind to believe that the democratic party will lead the struggle for ecological health and justice. Neverthless, I thank Ronnie for reminding us (me) of our task at hand. e ya'll -michael -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]