i agree with what tj says about the relationship between women and 
nature...i was a little taken aback by all the posts asserting our 
non-relationship with nature...or maybe they were more asserting our 
'not necessarily related" relationship...which i agree with, but in the 
process of declaring our not necessarily relationship, are we denying 
it?? 

i dont think women have any closer a relationship to nature than men, but 
in this patriarchal culture that values men and attributes 
certain characteristics to them as "natural", we definitely are 
conversely associated with nature in order to establish us as weaker, 
more emotional, irrational and more suitable for childrearing and homemaking 
than men....so sure, this idea was created and encouraged by 
patriarchy..but what that means to me is that we should RECLAIM it for 
ourslelves, since we have been taught to devalue it...and men should work 
to REDISCOVER it and channel it positively..possibly with the help and 
inspiration of women who have consciously worked to reclaim the 
relationship (starhawk, susan griffin etc..others who many of you would 
term essentialist)..because the dualism of this devaluation of the 
relationship to nature..and the simultaneous celebration of logic, reason, 
power-over and aggression needs to be deconstructed so that we all humans 
can realize our limitless possibilities for expression and personhood and 
wholism.

-anne dashiell

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