On Sat, 13 May 1995, Toshihide Hamazaki wrote:
> The alternative for surplus guys would be artifical womb and egg bank. So
> they can have a child, too. Artifical womb also frees womyn from child birth,
> so that womyn can work as much as they want without fear of taking a time off
> for child birth and being disadvantaged at work situation.
> What would you think?
>
> Toshihide
>
Whatever turns you on, baby!
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 16 10:51:37 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ronnie Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Fwd: FWD: meadows column 5/11/95 (fwd)]
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Mon, 15 May 1995, Jayne S Docherty wrote:
>
> Carol,
>
> Thank you for forwarding this message. It is, indeed, a sobering
> eye-opener. However, I think we should remind ourselves that the right
> does not have a lock on hate speech... Before everyone jumps on me about
[snip]>
> Perhaps we should also reexamine some of the rhetoric coming
> from our own "side". I am thinking about things such as references to
> "tree genocide". Any reference to a genocide requires that someone/thing
> take the part of the victims, but it also requires that someone be cast
> in the role of Hitler, the SS, and the lowly recruits who were drafted
> as guards in the death camps. A logger struggling to feed his family
> cannot hear such references as anything other than hate filled, I would
> think.
>
> Jayne
>
You make a very good point, Jayne--
I do, however, think that we can compare the willful extermination of
species to human genocide in certain ways, ways that have to do with how
we think about *groups*, and I don't think the comparison should be
dismissed simply because nonhumans cannot conceptualize themselves in
the way that members of human groups can. There are at least some ways
this analogy holds up, and I think they should be considered in light of
the ongoing move now to
give the green light to "playing God"in the form of anthropogenic species
extinction.
I agree that a logger trying to feed a family is caught in the middle of
the controversy, and I don't think he should be subjected to hate speech
or personal attacks--though, in your analogy, his role might be something
like that of a "lowly recruit." I also don't think I need to react like
"Oh, he's just feeding his family, that's OK then, I won't say anything as
the last remants of ancient forests are cut down." There are lots and
lots of human activities having disastrous effects on nonhumans and
natural systems that come about as a result of good intentions, at least
within a (narrow) human context. I think there need to be changes made to
redirect and reorganize human activities so that we humans won't continue
to be so destructive. There are other ways for a logger to feed his
family, for instance, even though some of them may entail his ceasing to
be a "logger" and coming to fill some other role in the human community.
And I hope getting him and others to see some of the reasons why such
change might be desirable can be accoplished through other means than
vitriolic rhetoric or violence (in fact, I *don't* think it can be done
through such means as these).
Ronnie
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 16 13:26:15 1995
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 12:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: cloth pads
There is/was a company in Sebastopol (Northern California) which makes cloth
pads but they have moved and I can't locate them... Their name escapes me at
the moment as well but I do know that they still take mail orders. I will
post the address and phone order after I find it at home so keep an eye out
for a posting tomorrow.
I have used their cloth pads for about a year now and have been very satisfied.
The petal pad is fairly plain and the moon wrap has a single snap which fastens
underneath (kind of like "wings"). As another message said, the soaking water
provides wonderful nutrients for plants. The pads come in flannel or organic
cotton. It does feel a little different at first to wear the pads but after
about two months, I began to prefer it in comparison to other pads or tampons.
Keep an eye out for the address.
Sarah Wenstrand
Sonoma State University, CA
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue May 16 16:47:48 1995
Date: Tue, 16 May 95 18:51:32 PDT
From: mary hallock morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: FWD: meadows column 5/11/95 (fwd)]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here is my take on the situation. Jayne wrote that:
>
>Fear of changes that in our hearts (and in their hearts too, I think) we
>know are necessary. Fear of loss of control over one's life. Fear that
>the systems have gotten so large that they will swallow us up and never
>miss us.
>
>
>Jayne
>
Wasn't it Hitler who used hate (and ultimately fear) to obtain his goals and
exterminate a whole race of people?
Mary
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Name: mary hallock morris
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Date: 05/16/95
Time: 18:51:32
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