I really am not sure about the connection being made here between ecofeminism
and labor unions.  I'm also not sure I'm ready to observe the politics of that
go by on my monitor, along with the related posturing and name-calling.  And is
this a topic that would interest subscribers beyond the borders of the US?  

I would like to talk about weeds, wildflowers and herbicides.  I write about
weeds and am interested in biological invaders in general.  I have negative
thoughts about those cans of wildflower seeds sold in the nature shops.  Do you
all know that herbicides are the biggest selling pesticide, and that Roundup
is the queen of them all?  The words "weed" and "wildflower" and interesting to
think about too.  Weeds are the domain of women in 60%of the world's societies.
Weeds are also defined using almost the identical words to "pollution" (as
in filth, dirt, menstrual blood).  They are plants out of place, but otherwise
are merely plants (and in some contexts, the plants of great beauty we call
wildflowers).  

Weeds are good to think (to paraphrase Levi-Strauss).  

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Asst prof of anthropology
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 22 16:53:38 1996
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:53:32 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Plevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Great books/lecture!
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


As someone who heard Dr. Shiva for the first time at the Praxis/Nexis 
conference in Victoria, I would urge interested folks to investigate her 
work.  I was impressed by her spirit, information, passion, and 
articulate presentation.  While I haven't heard the below, I suspect I 
will try and get it.

On another note, I'm working on a paper related to the use of guilt in 
aspects of the environmental movement.  Can anyone suggest sources?  Do 
e-mail to my address, if you like.

Thanks,


Arlene Plevin

On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Julie Alessio wrote:

> lecture of vandana shiva available for 5$ from:
> The Edmonds Institute
> 20329-92nd Ave West
> Edmonds, WA  98020
> 
> books of hers are available thru:
> Humanities Press International
> 165 First Avenue
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ  07716
> phone:  908-872-1441 fax:908-872-0717
> 
> On Fri, 19 Jan 1996, Lela Hilton wrote:
> 
> > I have been told that Vandana's writings arent available in this country...
> > Any ideas where I might find them??  Thanks!
> > 
> > >for an interesting look at the voices of women in third-world countries and
> > >ecofeminism read vandana shiva and Maria Mies book called ecofeminism.  they
> > >talk about the the philosophies and actions of women in those countries, and
> > >the changes they are initating.
> > >
> > >a well known example is the Chipko Movement in India  (Anna Roddha in Women
> > >and the Environment talks a lot about this) it began as a group of women
> > >placing their bodies in front of trees that were to be demolished.  they have
> > >become a powerful movement.
> > >
> > >kelley
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 22 18:45:10 1996
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:45:07 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: bibliographies and websites, etc.

In defense and reply to the question of the $15.00 fee, this covers the costs
of paper and postage. It is a bound document, 70 pages long; postage alone is
$3.00! Then every item is already abstracted so that you can see what you are
getting before you track down the item which is worth a lot to me as a
researcher! I offer it to those who are interested,
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 22 19:41:45 1996
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 22 Jan 1996 19:34:58 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:30:25 -0600 (CST)
From: jivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Safety in the workplace
In-reply-to: <v01530500ad28d25c3f0a@[205.228.188.57]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Robert Washington:  Does the company care about their workers?  Have they conve
yed this to the workers?  Do the workers believe the company's caring?  Does th
e company convey the message "my 20 widgets, hell or high water"? One needs to
look into the workers' concerns.  I can talk for hours as I am a professor of i
ndustrial safety.  One needs to look more deeply with an open mind- not with an
 attitude "those ________ workers".  Ask the CEO to talk to the workers with a
genuine interest in their concerns.  Your talking will not be of much help.  It
 is obviously a communication problem with mistrust on both sides.  Jivan
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 22 19:56:46 1996
 by VAXF.COLORADO.EDU (PMDF V5.0-4 #12962)
 22 Jan 1996 19:49:58 -0600 (MDT)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:43:55 -0600 (CST)
From: jivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: labor unions?
In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Candice Bradley: Yes labor management distrust is much more prevalent across th
e globe than you would think.  Its relevance to ecofem is obvious.  Women's inv
olvement in the decision making position is crucial to their empowerment.  It i
s necessary as humanity needsto utilize this 50% of human resource to its
 fullest potential.  Most women around the globe are employed in menial or deco
rative positions.  Just take a look in the field of Politics, Religion, Higher
Education, Technical and Scientific fields.  We can not relegate women just to
flowers and weeds.  Both men and women have equal potential of being a flower a
s well as a weed.  If you are interested in pursuing this chain of thought, con
tact me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Regards, Jivan
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jan 22 23:20:55 1996
        id /mail/incoming/sma022971; Tue Jan 23 16:14:45 1996
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:19:15 +1000
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Toni Withers)
Subject: Re: weeds

Candice is interested in weeds.
I work in the area of biological control of "weeds". And we are very aware
of the anthropocentric definition of what makes a weed. All it has to be is
a plant where it is not wanted. This is the epitomy of humans walking
heavily on the earth.
Weeds have generally become such as they have spread from their continents
and habitats of origin, where they have a multitude of natural enemies that
generally contain their spread, to a new continent.
Often this new place provides even better conditions for growth and
reproduction, and is often free from the country of origins' natural enemies
and diseases. Hence the introduced plant reaches "pest" status.

But what must be kept in mind is that migration of organisms between areas
and continents is a biological process, and when humans spread seeds and
plants to new areas this is just an extension of a commonly-occurring
phenomenon. Yet  humans overly exacerbate the problem due to our new
technologies and mass movement between countries.

Is there any way we can alter this anthropocentric definition of a weed ?





Toni Withers
Centre for Tropical Pest Management
Alan Fletcher Research Station
P.O. Box 36
Sherwood, Q 4075
Brisbane
Australia
ph 61 7  3375 0724
fax 61 7 3379 6815

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