On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, Cameron Waddel wrote:
> > Date sent: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 21:00:34 +0800
> > Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kylie Matthews)
> > To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: some Bible quotes
> > According to "Christianity, homosexuality and social tolerance" (a book)
> > these homophobic comments were inserted by the catholic church in the
> > C14th.
> >
> > But how about all the anti-women stuff? I know that some say, well, you
> > have to know the context of Paul's letters. Oh come off the grass! Paul
> > was a sexist pig! He was a tax collector who later thought -whoops I
> > wonder if I'm going to hell?
> >
> > Also it might interest ppl to know that ppl are still having the same sorts
> > of visions about god as they did in the bible. Ppl are still hearing the
> > voice of god. These ppl are in mental institutions. Pauls beh is not far
> > short or a paranoid schizophenic. Isn't it possible that people could be
> > basing there actions on a pack of raving loonies?
> >
> > Kylie
> > (who takes religion as seriously as politics.)
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> Jesus and Paul were either mad or perfectly sane and according to
> most history not from the Bible they were sane.
> Some people who hear the voice of God are in mental institutions.
> Most aren't and a perfectly sane.
> Paul wasen't sexist it's just that some people who claim to be
> Christians and Christians who have received incorrect teaching or are
> confused about what Paul said like to justify mistreatment of women
> by quoting these verses.
> There is no excuse for mistreatment or degredation of women nor does
> the Bible advocat such.
> What the Bible does say is that men are supposed to be ultimately
> responsible in families and in general leadership. Unfortunately
> most men either don't accept or live up to this. Also a lot of men
> misuse and abuse this position of responsibility.
> In this case I do not blame women for exerting their rights and
> demanding equal rights and seeking a higher place in society. Nor is
> it surprising.
> The Bible says we are to love our wives as we love ourselves and when
> prioritising things God comes first then ones wife after that not
> necessarily in this order children, job, other people and church.
> Finally self.
> Paul was never a tax collector.
> He originally started out as one of the most hard out people in
> Judaism. He was so passionate about his faith that he did his utmost
> to eradicate Christians whereever he could find them. The only thing
> that could stop him was a direct confrontation with Jesus Christ.
> After this he bacame as passionate about Jesus as he had been about
> Judaism.
> The Bible does not advocate homophobia. It does condemn
> homosexuality but there is no excuse in the Bible for some of the
> things that so called "Christians" have done to homosexuals.
> We are commanded to love our enemies. This does not mean tolerate
> but LOVE. Unfortunately some Christians have a hard time with this,
> I'm sure I don't need to tell you that.
> And you should take Christianity seriously because its more than a
> matter of life and death.
> I take Religion about as seriously as Politics too. Because I also
> dislike Religion. It is stifling and boring. Christianity is not a
> religion it is a relationship. Unfortunately some denominations and
> other groups have made it one.
> I don't mean to be hard or to preach because ultimately what you do
> with the truth of Jesus Christ is your decision:)
>
> Cameron Waddel
paul didn't ever meet jesus in person. jesus was killed before they had a
chance to meet....but moving on, yes, the bible does say to love our
enemies...but does this apply in the context that you quoted it? i would
venture to say that homosexuals are not our enemies, but rather the
christians who ostrasize and condemn them.
