Richard, 
some thoughts:  and thank you for the quote.

from my of view women who are denied power in a dominant culture may 
turn to nature for pragmatic reasons.  although in doing this they may 
continue their lower status from the point of view of the dominant 
hierarchy, perhaps their alignment with "nature" uncovers an ecological 
niche or truth which will continue past the prime of culture or emerge 
as yet another. and perhaps not.     
 
>         "Bothe radical and conservative feminists who argue for a distinct
> nature for women ground their arguments in women's close association with
> nature.  

( this association, pragmatic, heightened by exclusion from other 
resources for power, may have been claimed once in order to initiate 
dialog as outsiders.  as more and more women "succeed" to hierachic 
levels of power it becomes increasingly obvious that both victimization 
and affinity with wilderness are no longer universal to all women or 
intrisically gender related)  

The notion that woman has a distinct nature...

(clinical studies without cultural bias?  to the extent that women's 
"nature" is marginalized and exploited but not sustained it may be 
similar to ecological "nature"...  as a moiety women may respond in 
similar ways or use ecology as metaphor or the obvious wild energy of 
nature as guide to generate new cultural standards.  breaking down the 
nature culture dichotomy becomes a powerful political argument for 
claiming explicit power within a culture.  however, inclusion does not 
always mean enlightenment.  the dialog between inside and outside is 
interesting.  if investing in cultural power means creating new outsider 
status... there may be more power for creative change when the outside 
of the dichotomy is heard.)

 and that her nature is
> tied in a special way to the natural world is thus central to a discussion
> of the implications of the nature/culture dichotomy that has permeated
> western thought. Rejecting the notion that women have a distinct, universal
> "nature" and the essentialism entailed by that notion is crucial to the
> deconstruction of the nature/culture dichotomy" 

(and perhaps also to cycles of exploitation of women.  when do we begin 
to invest all "nature" and how? with political rights?)
> 
>         "This essentialist impulse leads to the same sterile 
(or sterilizing?)
dichotomies
> of enlightenement thought that have been used to keep women in an inferior
> position"
>                 Susan Hekman (1990:106-108) _Gender and Knowledge:Elements
> ofa Postmodern Feminism_
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 29 Jan 1997 09:11 +1300 (NZD)
 29 Jan 1997 09:14:02 +1300
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:13:29 +1300
From: "STEFANIE S. RIXECKER" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Nature/Culture and Essentialism
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: Lincoln University

Dear Richard,

Thanks for posting your message regarding "essentialism."  It 
certainly has been one of the hottest topics in feminism, and it 
consistently creeps into conversation soon after the word 
"ecofeminism" is spoken.

My theoretical approach to ecological feminism tends to follow the 
argument you quoted from Hekman (see below).  Dichotomizing concepts 
isn't overly useful for feminist theory for the reason she states.  
It's also not very accurate.  The nature/culture split predisposes us 
to think of humans outside nature--yet another dichotomy 
(inside/outside; public/private) some strands of feminism have argued 
quite strongly against. 

The conundrum is that people perceive inside/outside relations and 
set them up (perpetuate them), i.e., they use power (in whatever form 
it can be expressed) as a means to create a nature/culture, 
insider/outsider split and then believe that split.  While these 
dichotomies are reductionist and sometime useful ways of "coping" 
with the world, i.e., they remove the complexity of relationships, 
they also "speak to us" because there is SOME truth to them.  Perhaps 
this "truth," has more to do with what is in our minds (how we are 
socialized) than what is "natural." 

Hmm, but then, how can we be sure of what is "natural"?  This then 
becomes yet another conundrum for the theoretical side of ecological 
feminism to consider.  By the way, it has practical consequences.  
For example, if "natural" is everything derived from processes 
created by or through organic entities, then the ecological 
destruction which humans (as organic entities) create could be 
regarded as "natural."  Does this make it "right" or "good"?  How do 
we determine what types of environmental policies/practices we should 
create?  What does "sustainability" look like when natural is defined 
in this manner?  

Well, just a few extra ideas to ponder.  I'd love to hear more from 
others.  I've added a couple of references below for further reading 
on the "essentialist" issue.

Cheers,

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Recommended Readings:

Grant, Judith.  1993.  Fundamental Feminism: Cotesting the Core 
Concepts of Feminist Theory.  New York: Routledge.

Haraway, Donna J.  1991.  Simians, Cyborgs and Women: The Reinvention 
of Nature.  New York: Routledge.


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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 09:27:37 GMT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mary mellor

Well nothing to do with Mary Mellor at all actually......Just hopefully
a catalyst for discussion...

    "Bothe radical and conservative feminists who argue for a distinct
nature for women ground their arguments in women's close association with 
nature. The notion that woman has a distinct nature and that her nature is
tied in a special way to the natural world is thus central to a discussion
of the implications of the nature/culture dichotomy that has permeated
western thought. Rejecting the notion that women have a distinct, universal
"nature" and the essentialism entailed by that notion is crucial to the
deconstruction of the nature/culture dichotomy"

    "This essentialist impulse leads to the same sterile dichotomies
of enlightenement thought that have been used to keep women in an inferior
position"
        Susan Hekman (1990:106-108) _Gender and Knowledge:Elements
ofa Postmodern Feminism_

Any thoughts?
Richard,
London

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Lincoln University, Canterbury
Aotearoa New Zealand
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