Hello Folks,
Some of you, Melanie and Maureen, questioned if I belong on this list.
Well, if we can not talk about our sexual/love relationships on a group
about Ecofeminism, then I give up. There is no place in the "ecology"
movement for love and Neutopia! Love is a core principle. How we engage or
disengage with love is related to how we relate to the ecology. Men who
hate woman don't have the understanding as to how to build a sustainable
society. I could go on and on about the connection between love and the
ecology, but I must move on.
Thanks, Claudia, for understanding where I am coming from and why ecovillages
need ecofeminism.
Albert Bates is one of the Global Ecovillage Leaders.
To find out more go to: http://www.gaia.org
Love,
neutopia
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 9 12:21:34 1997
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 14:20:34 -0500
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Charlotte Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: more on Hawaiian birds
In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I remain curious as to why neck snares were chosen to kill the
pigs in Hawaii. WHO on this forsaken planet decided that
using neck snares was a reasonable method for "controlling"
populations of an "unwanted" creature?? Such a method is not
humane, caring, nor the work of an organization that truly cares
about animals. The decision to kill animals by using a slow
and painful method -- one that allows a thin metal strip to
cut further and further into an animal as he/she struggles
for freedom -- is barbaric and without empathy! Such goes the
choice of The Nature Conservancy.
Relocation of the pigs -- yes, THAT seems so much more humane.
Maybe that is the reason TNC didn't choose it. After all,
the feral pigs are not cute and cuddly and picturesque when
set against the Hawaiian landscapes.
- Charlotte.
At 12:13 PM 11/8/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Charlotte Sullivan wrote:
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>> I have always had a problem with the concept of protecting a species
>> because it is "endangered." Whales are a perfect example: The
>hunting
>> of whales is allowed until the numbers get "too low." Once this
>happens,
>> hunting is forbidden for a few years, until the population has a
>> chance to make a come-back, wherein hunting is once again allowed.
>> Therefore, temporarily forbidding the hunt simply becomes a sort of
>> institutionalized breeding for the PURPOSE of hunting. In other
>words,
>> more whales will be born, only to be hunted during their adult years.
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>Unfortunately, our society...the human race (as I prefer to refer to us,
>instead
>of MAN) wasn't always as knowledgable as we are today. Habitat
>destruction and
>hunting was rampant, and the damage was often irreversible. Indeed,
>these
>problems still occur today, but we have made strides to try correct the
>wrongs
>of the past. Do you suggest that people of the southern United States
>allow
>Kudzu to overgrow and take over the niches of all native plants? Do you
>feel
>that the people of Australia should sit back and relax while cane toads
>eliminate many native amphibians, found no where else in the world?
>Yes, I feel
>that hunting is morally wrong, but this issue needs to be looked at in a
>
>different way. Do you think that it will be all right for us to allow
>massive
>extinctions to occur without attempting to stop them?
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>> As for the pigs in Hawaii, is it that crucial to Man's ego to protect
>> one species by killing another?? Maybe if Man were to finally keep
>their
>> dirty hands out of the issues of Nature, something might finally turn
>> out right.
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>Yes humans should keep their hands out of nature, but in this case our
>hands
>were already in there many years ago. Is trying to correct past wrongs
>so bad?
>If the pig populations were allowed to propagate without any
>intervention, the
>majority of organisms left on Hawaii will be pigs. Perhaps rounding the
>pigs up
>and transporting them to their original location is a proposition you
>are
>willing to consider.
>
>Melanie
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