On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Chris! Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for awhile and was a little
> worried.
> Nice to know you are still out there.
Hi there! You welcomed me to the list the other day but I've been on it
for three and a half years now.
> When people talk about wanting to go off and study women's issues, women's
> experience and women's ideas, all these nasty accusations come out of the
> woodwork. Do you suppose it is because so one thinks studying a subject (like
> chemistry) is any real fun, or that applying one's knowledge would in any way
> change our lives?(as opposed to the power inherent in women's studies).
> Beats me. Maybe it's more like not being invited to a party.
I guess that being rejected from parties can always be a little hurtful,
especially when you're working to empower and help the people who are
having the party. I agree with Chris that if you want a women's-only
list, and that is empowering to you, then by all means, go ahead and do
that. But, I wonder how you're going to actually do something like that
because computer terminals are not gender-coded like us primitive
duality-based ole human beings.
If we continue to reify dualistic thinking, we also continue to reify
patriarchy... the very cause of domination and oppression.
> But...if you look at some of the research on learning situations, female
> persons really do have a harder time in mixed groups because...and I know this
> is not true of you...
will you please stop assuming that you know the "truth" about me based on
my anatomy?
....males tend to get more attention and TAKE CONTROL of the
> conversation.
Not when they've been brutalized into submission by females.
It is necessary for the science, it is necessary for the women,
> for us to spend some time in women's country alone.
well, I like all-male orgies but I don't want to separate myself from
females when trying to empower the dissolution of patriarchy and the
return of the sacred to our planet.
I think that this debate is very important in coming to personal and
collective identifications of what ecofeminism is and sharing it in this
way with other individuals who are attracted to the ideals which
ecofeminism espouses.
> Some of us will never come back, that's true.
And that is a tragedy that breaks my heart and I am working to help
healing take place.
> But most will. After
all, most of us have brothers, lovers, sons, fathers and > friends who are
male. > I don't really think anyone wants to not-accept anyone as
thoughtful as Jacob > and yourself. For women to go off and immerse
themselves in their own > language and thoughts and discoveries for awhile
is not really the same thing > as separatism.
No, it's not. And it's nothing new. It's been happening for millenia.
Even in some of the most oppressive and dominating environments
imagineable. The re-sacrilization of menstration and the female
reproductive system as holy could be an arena around which to form a new
listserv thread if there isn't one out there already.
But I really think that in these pressing times with massive global
environmental disaster in our midst and the pressing need to resolve
these issues that we must come together as a species if we are to salvage
anything for future generations of humans. I believe that women are
sacred and men are sacred and that together we *CAN* "save the planet."
Jacob
