I found Jake's reminder that anatomy isn't destiny for men AND women to be
important.  Being treated crappy because one has a penis or breasts or
whatever is backwards, simple thinking, etc.  Since when does it become a
contest to see who is being more crappy than another?  Does it make a
difference?  What's gained?  

I value men who try and see beyond a longlived patriarchial culture and
see, feel, and work beyond oppression of any kind.  I value women who do
the same: who reflect, think, and remain open to all things--including the
fact that men can be feminists, can be aware, can be both in the culture
of oppression and move beyond it.

Arlene 

On Tue, 8 Sep 1998, bunny wrote:

> Jake A Paisain "But if people keep disrespecting me because of what's
> between my legs I'm gonna quit this list."
> 
> ++Gosh Jake, if men don't start treating me as an equal and if men don't stop 
> assuming that because I have breasts and can have babies that I am a second
> class citizen to be bullied, talked over and subjugated, I'm gonna quit this
> planet.
> 
> M.
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