Exactly so, Miguel!
Bertina
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On Wed, 16 Sep 1998, Miguel Angel Ordorica wrote:
> Look, this is getting silly. There is no proof that a human can reason
> either- and, comparing what one animal can do with another is no proof of
> reasoning. Humans are almost identical with chimps and gorillas; and a
> few million years ago they were members of the same species. Some even
> say that it would be possible for a chimp and a human to interbreed.
> There is really nothing that humans do that we can't find rudiments of in
> another species..and we are NOT special!
>
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> On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > Hi!
> >
> > Regarding animals ability to reason:
> >
> > Reasoning - Food for thought - Meanings are as follows:
> >
> > Logical - Is swimming right into a fishing net logical thought? Dolphins
> > have great personalities but they can not avoid swimming into nets - Perfect
> > example of instinct and inability to reason! They always swim there
> > instinctively and will continue to swim there with or without net presence.
> >
> > Rational - Is obeying a human who impedes on your freedom rational thought?
> > Birds are beautiful creatures - I wish I could fly with my own wings -for now
> > I fly on the wings of love. However, a bird would allow a human to cage it
> > and keep it caged without fleeing to freedom and still honor that person? Is
> > that rational thought? Just behaving instinctively to its surrounding - no
> > reasoning there. The bird does not ask itself rationally WHY is the person
> > impeding on my freedom - why am I not in the forest among my other bird
> > friends and family - that would be rational thought!
> >
> > Sensible - is eating dog food sensible thought? Dogs make great pets - great
> > personalities - the wolfs among us - however, if you were sensible would you
> > eat dog food? Or is the dog eating out of behaviorial instinct to survive -
> > not sensible thinking there - the dog does not hold out for better food which
> > would be the sensible thing to do!
> >
> > AWARE - is swimming upstream when you know Grizzly bears will eat you
> > awareness? Salmon are amazing fish - really - how they instinctively swim
> > upstream to breed - for continuance of their species - survival instincts kick
> > in. However, if they were AWARE in thought that the grizzly bear was always
> > there - would they continue that path or find a new path that would increase
> > their odds of survival? They can not reason with awareness!
> >
> > Knowing - Is scratching furniture and ripping your owners home knowing
> > thought?
> > A cat can be such a loving curious kind of pet - I love cats - I especially
> > love the big cats! However, a house cat who is not declawed and not given
> > proper toys to play with will scatch the daylights our of chair legs - now is
> > that knowing - if they knew what they were doing - destroying their owners
> > furniture - they would KNOW that they were behaving improperly but they can
> > not reason - they are just sharpening their claws - instinctive behavior.
> >
> > Are you following this? These are just a few examples
> > HOWEVER - Because we can reason/knowingling with our brains as humans does
> > that make other animals inferior? No,
> >
> > But this ability to reason with our brains should make us more
> > responsible/rational to the animals who can not - and only behave - We should
> > respect that they deserve to live, freely without our impediment of that and
> > you take away their need to reason -which they don't have anyway -
> > then they become as free-spirited as we are. They
> > are feeling, loving, creatures who have rights - but we are (well, we should
> > be) rational
> > humans who care about those rights and treat them as co-inhabitants and we
> > care about
> > our home and theirs rationally! But, please do not say that they
> > reason/think/rationalize/know the way humans do because they do not!
> > They can not!
> >
> > Peace!
> > Angela
> >
> >
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