In a message dated 98-10-22 11:58:17 EDT, you write:
<< I believe all people should be free and able
to control her/his own destiny without poverty, sexism, and racism getting
in her/his way. But me believing this and trying to convince others to
believe this is not enough.
>>
Hi Candi,
You make some good points.
However,
If a person is in control of his/her own destiny then if things like poverty,
sexism and racism get in his/her way - it is their own fault - right? They
were afterall in control?
Of course they are not to blame!
Sometimes things BEYOND our own control - cause poverty, sexism and racism -
now how can we help that person deal with that position they are in - if they
poor, we can help provide for them, feed them, provide clothing, provide jobs
and we can make laws that protect peoples rights and freedom and work to have
them enforced. We can believe (like you) in the right to riches, freedoms and
the protection of individual rights (I like that!) and help pass laws and
provide through grass roots efforts. Now what we believe does help! You/we
tell others to do the same thing and you start a chain reaction! Now your
self-respect is spreading to others! The power of love has submerged! The
big corporations can't stop us from spreading love - setting up soup kitchens,
supporting campaigns in defense of woman's rights, boycotting companies that
sell non-green products etc. When we love ourselves we are free to love
others! The only liberation we need is self-actualization! Bullish on people
who tell you that "you stand alone" or that "what you believe does not count"
or that "greed is more powerful then love" they are wrong!
We need to feel sure about ourselves, believe in LOVE and know that others
care and believe that we can make a difference!
Thanks!
Angela
"Kindness is contagious!"
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 22 11:55:16 1998
From: "Joe E. Dees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> In a message dated 98-10-22 08:34:23 EDT, you write:
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> << What are you saying here Angela? You are the confused child.
>
> >>
> Bertina, please define "pleasure." Just because something brings pleasure -
> does not make it right or proper - Going on a luxury cruise brings pleasure -
> is it right that that boat pollutes the ocean and the animals that live there?
> That is the negative aftershock of pleasure! So there are a lot of examples
> of our so-called pleasures that harm the Earth and the animals - does that
> make them wrong then? Just because something is pleasurable does not make it
> right - Got it? Drugs are bad for you - some drugs destroy your memory, weaken
> your brain, harm your liver - Got it? Brings pleasure and comfort - yet not
> good for you and therefore not right- I would rather not discuss pleasures
> with you - I have a feeling you would not understand! But I am game if you
> are!
>
> Thanks!
> Angela
I guess then that overpopulation is the negative aftershock of
orgasm. Joe
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 22 11:57:10 1998
From: "Joe E. Dees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To the Taliban, power is synonymous with Allah.
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> In a message dated 98-10-22 09:22:17 EDT, you write:
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> << Far from being a selfish child Angela,
> I give more of myself to the cause of women and the environment than most
> people I know.
> >>
> I did not say you were a selfish child - I said you were behaving like a child
> telling me that everything I say is DOGMA - enough about that - let me tell
> you that a lot of what I believe has been from personal contemplation of non-
> fixed beliefs and observing the natural world around me _ you insulted me/I
> insulted you - Sorry! Isn't it silly how we take offensive to direct insults!
>
> Keep up the good work for the women, the animals and the Earth and please try
> to remember that just because I am Christian does not mean that I dogmatic -
> do you understand that?
>
> Peace!
> Angela
It also doesn't mean you aren't. Joe
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> In a message dated 98-10-22 09:22:17 EDT, you write:
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> <<
> ++ When does life start? If only your reverence to the sanctity of human
> life also translated into the quality of human life Angela.
> >>
> So you are for taking of one life to improve the quality of life for others?
>
> Thanks!
> Angela
I am for limiting births so we all do not die. Joe
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 22 12:07:28 1998
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Subject: Julia Butterfly
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:16:33 -0500
Hello Does anyone have any updates on Julia Butterfly? Thanks...
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 22 12:12:27 1998
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> In a message dated 98-10-22 09:46:01 EDT, you write:
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> << Your defense of the Earth won't work if population size is not controlled.
> Do >>
>
> How would you implement control of population and how would you re-enforce it?
> If it can't be implemented and it can't be re-enforced, it won't work! Get
> it?
>
> Thanks!
> Angela
Let's try it first, before we gratuitously declare it impossible, shall
we? Joe
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 22 13:11:17 1998
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I agree with Joe in that respect.
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> > In a message dated 98-10-22 09:22:17 EDT, you write:
> >
> > <<
> > ++ When does life start? If only your reverence to the sanctity of
human
> > life also translated into the quality of human life Angela.
> > >>
> > So you are for taking of one life to improve the quality of life for
others?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Angela
>
> I am for limiting births so we all do not die. Joe
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Oct 22 13:43:30 1998
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 12:40:39 -0700
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Haven't seen anything about Julia since David Chain's death. But here's a number where
you can get info about Luna: 415.337.4302
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A human being is part of a whole, called by us the universe. He experiences himself,
his
thoughts and his feelings, as something apart from the rest, a kind of optical
delusion of
his consciousness. The delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our
personal desires and to affection for a few persons closest to us. Our task must be to
free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all
living
creatures. - Albert Einstein
