In a message dated 98-11-13 05:55:36 EST, you write:
<< Are you still trying to tell me my mother didn't have ovaries Angela?
love, Chris.
>>
Hi!
Chris - cool it! Your mother huh! Ok Chris - what does the bible -wherein
the culmination of the evolutionary epoch which you are trying to undertake
-say about "black magic and the witch?" Would you care to enlighten us about
that or would you like me to!
Back to the tree in the Garden (says Chris)- do you all remember who was
banned from the Garden for tempting Eve? Oh yea - the Dark One - him/her?! OK
so now Chris, the practiced shaman practices black magic and brings him/her
back - oh Joy to the World - now we will all be saved or is this - could it be
really the end! Get it?
Maybe I am totally off base - but guess what - If God (the almighty
creator/omnipotent all powerful one) wanted to give birth to a son through a
virgin woman so that the message would be pure and untouched by you know who
(the one who was banned from the garden) - then good for you God and I am glad
you did it! Saved us - or did it? Can't save you if you don't believe it!
How can you believe that there is a powerful entity/God that created this
world and not believe that that God can choose to create a PURE/unadultered,
unpentratable birth of a Son to bring the message of his light and love to the
world - a message that can not be touched by the Evil Spirit of the banned one
- Get it?
Now if for some reason you are still having trouble following this - Ask Chris
to explain! His mother is not your mother - but the nemesis of God (nemesis
means enemy folks!) - your mother is Blessed Mary - mother to your savior -
son of your God! She was pure and obedient to The Holy Spirit of God - she
was humble and true and kind. Don't be fooled! The you know who was banned is
VERY TRICKY!
Wants back in - what do you say? Would it be OK to bring more darkness into
the world? Don't you think we have enough?
It may actually be too late - people have already turned away from God at an
alarming rate!
Ask yourself if you want harmony, life, love and light in the world - yes or
no - If you said yes, my advice look into and look for God again. Bring back
God not the you know who!
We think we want liberation but what we need is discipline - We need to
discipline ourselves to the flow of the natural laws of God and the natural
world. We actually need less freedom and more discipline - my humble opinion!
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 13 05:37:02 1998
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:36:46 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: My conversion attempts!
In a message dated 98-11-13 06:21:38 EST, you write:
<< Not if you are an atheist--GOD loves Atheists TOO-(dripping Sarcasm
here)SO if God loves Atheists He Loves what we believe, what we are--SO
therefore atheists truth is the same as theists truth!!
WOW do I feel enlightened!
Bertina
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>>
Hi!
Yes Bertina God loves you - but it has nothing to do with you being in
possession of the truth - it has to do with unconditional love - if my son
lies to me for whatever reason, I tell him, no son don't lie - honesty is
always the best policy right - but I still love him - no matter what! God
does need the truth from you - God is the truth - God needs your humility,
obedience, love . . . get it?
Humility - God you are the almighty creator of me - I am here because of you -
I owe my life to you.
Obedience - God you are my ruler, light and salvation - I will follow your
laws written and unwritten laws of creation and do what you ask
Love - God I will love my neighbor and love you with all my heart.
Now you are enlightened - because I enlightened you!
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 13 05:49:58 1998
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:49:32 EST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: .Re: white goddess / Christian nemesis
In a message dated 98-11-13 06:26:26 EST, you write:
<< It was an insult to
the Goddess that your God could could have the temerity to tell women to stay
away from things that were the Goddesses domain, namely the tree & the snake.
> >>
Hi!
Are you getting air? The tree and the snake represent (darkness and
temptation away from purety) Literally and figuratively - and you Bertina and
the Goddess are mad at God for taking you away from darkness and impurity? I
see.
Now I know I don't want to know the Goddess - you can keep her!
Thanks!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Nov 13 05:56:47 1998
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 21:00:27 +0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: bunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Beliefs
>>This all started when I learned that you calmly blame Jesus and his followers
for the Eco-Crisis and harm to the women. Your salvation is up to you - it
always was!
++This statement is a fallacy.It is the dogmas of different religions that
cause problems and are to blame Angela. The Essenes and other ancient
religions that are older than when Jesus walked the Earth believe
differently to what is written in the bible. They also believe that Jesus'
sayings and beliefs are not interpreted correctly in the bible and that much
has been left out. As well as this, Jesus lived at a certain time in history
and much did not exist then that exists now that causes so much harm to the
Earth including overpopulation of humans, exploitation of the environment
and animals, pollution and genetic engineering.
>>As if it was Jesus's directive to destroy nature, the animals and rape and
mistreat women - do you understand that is why I started preaching
Christianity - I wanted to shed some truth and light on the subject - It's OK
to put the blame where it belongs to human fallacy, misconceptions, and bad
preceptions of the truth - but do not blame Jesus - Jesus was compassionate,
tolerant, kind, loving, forgiving, peacelover . . . and he preached that we
should also be!
++ Angela, I too believe Jesus was compassionate and a peace lover. Yet I do
not believe in religious dogmas and in priests coming between people and
their God. Also, Jesus preached tolerance not fire and brimstone
Christianity and not fundamentalism as it is today. You keep diatribing your
own beliefs as if your beliefs are the only truth - you are wrong to do this.
Most people make peace with God or whoever they believe in. It is not the
purpose of Eco-Fem to convert people to your version of Christianity and
your view of the world.
>>Never anything to the contrary. He would never encourage
such bad behavior - True Christianity is moral, uplifting and loving. I just
wanted to share that with you. OK - believe what you want - I am not your
judge - God is the final judge - I just wanted you to know the truth - not
wallow in bitterness at Christians for their love of Jesus.
++Christians are divided on many things Angela and YOUR version of Christianity
is far removed from mine. My version of Christianity contains vegetarianism,
population control and a balance in nature. I do not need a Priest or dogma
between myself and God and i do not need your interpretations of what Jesus
would or would not have said. If I were to go down that path, I would much
rather rely on the historical documents written at the time of Jesus on which
the Essenes and other old beliefs base their beliefs, not the bible which
was written by men approximately 50 years after the death of Jesus.
>>My other point was that people were implying that we needed less Spirituality
not more - I wanted to point out why we needed more. The Earth needs more
sacredness not more complacency.
++Spirituality will not save the Earth. An acceptance of the need for
population control and the need for an appreciation of nature unmanipulated
by humans is paramount. We need to restore balance to the web of life.
>>Someone said we are in mechanistic societies - like machines -
over-masculated machines - We need to get real and start thinking
spiritually - was my point - not away from God (whoever/however you preceive
God) but towards that sacredness of existence.
++An appreciation of Nature is lacking in many today. This is not the fault
of lack of spirituality but in the way that many humans are reared away from
nature in overpopulated cities. Converting them all to fundamentalist
Christianity will
not make people less masculine.
++My friend has a fundamentalist Christian email pal. The fundamentalist
person admits they get a high out of preaching Christianity and trying to
convert people to their version of Christianity. Perhaps this type of need to
convert everyone to your way of thinking is a sign of being a bigot.
(I don't say this rudely but in this is a word that everyone understands)
Perhaps you should realise that there are other beliefs as valid as your own
Angela and that if you are founding your view of the world solely on the
Bible, you could very well be wrong.
Marguerite
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