In a message dated 98-11-21 20:22:49 EST, you write:
<<
I refuse to lose my religion, either. Belief diversity is as desirable as
species diversity, and it is self-contradictory to oppose one while
supporting the other (not to mention hypocritical and ethically and
morally bankrupt). Joe
>>
Hi! Joe, please define "belief diversity?" Does that mean I have to believe
in the diversity of beliefs and accept that there are diverse beliefs period
or does it entail embracing and applying those beliefs to my life-no matter
how contrary to my own beliefs that they are?
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 22 17:30:47 1998
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:30:24 EST
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Subject: Re: ecosystemic wisdom and systemic beliefs/misunderstandings
In a message dated 98-11-21 21:36:59 EST, Chris write:
<< Implications: God is the father regardless of the social injustices this
twisted belief has caused and regardless of the epoch of dominion over
woman and nature caused by this systemic belief. The excuse: God the father
has not been taught properly - i.e. the systemic belief has not been
effective enough at covering the contradictions and reinforcing the
systemic order.
>>
Hi! You CAN'T literatally blame the systemic belief in God the father on the
dominion of woman and nature - you can blame human fallacy - human
misunderstanding of God's fiduciary role as Father - not as male father - but
as I like to think of it Father Creator as a father in a fiduciary
responsibility to his children. Now, we are back to blaming God for the
dominion and not man's own need for power and how man has been overcome by
greed and disconnected by nature? We can't really blame God for that! God
clearly did not want us to become power hunger (All the Glory and Honor and
Power is mine said the Lord) God clearly did not want us to become greedy -
Planly because the bible says "The Earth and Everything in it is the Lords!"
Period - that means the soil, the air, the water, the humans, the other
animals, the plants . . . We never owned it - it was our own arrogance that
has caused the Eco-crisis - Chris, you know it! nowhere did God say it was OK
to mistreat woman - the misunderstanding of the systemic belief caused the
problem Chris - not the actual belief! Changing the belief will not cure the
problem! Changing our values and perceptions and understanding of it will!
Chris says:
It would be delightful if Angela could gradually find her way into the
ecosystemic Wisdom of diversity and escape the bondage of fixed systemic
belief she uses to paper over the cracks of living reality. I am
optimistic and patient, but it is going to take some honesty.
love, Chris.
I say:
No way to that! Wait no more my friend! The way you explained ecosystemic
wisdom - I doubt I could ever embrace those beliefs (however, again anyone has
the right to believe what they want!) ! I just do not agree with them as
full truth - Christianity to me is full truth - therefore, I will patiently
wait for you to understand where I am coming from with my human fallacy theory
- do not blame God - that will not solve anything - blame human fallacy - back
to basics for humans - God only wants what's best for us - That never changed
- we have to want this paradise we envision where woman and men are equals in
true love, where animals are treated with compassion, where nature is a part
of who we are not something to trample on! - we have to work for it! That's
the only way! Blaming God the Father will not bring about the desired
results! Working with Gods as stewards will!
Sorry, had to reply to that again!
Peace!
Angela
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 22 17:45:37 1998
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:44:11 EST
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Subject: Re: Pets
In a message dated 11/21/98 5:18:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< My rule for myself about pets is this: if you "adopt" them, you
> care for them their whole life. Period.
>
> Blessings,
> Jane
>
As I have. Joe
>>
Yes, Joe, I know. I could tell from your heartbreaking story about your dog,
but it is amazing how many don't yet understand this simple precept. My
friend just adopted a 14 year old cat who had lived with the same family her
whole life--they just dumped her at the pound because their 4-year-old was
tormenting the cat. Ergo, punish the cat?
Blessings, Jane
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 22 17:56:17 1998
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 19:55:37 EST
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Subject: Re: new participant/reply Ecofem lit
Hi Joe,
I love your poem!
Jane
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Nov 22 19:45:28 1998
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Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 21:44:58 EST
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Subject: Re:
Hi, This Rumi poem is a wonderful reminder that we are all each Moses AND the
shepherd!
Jane
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Subject: Re: new participant/reply Ecofem lit/systemic beliefs
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> In a message dated 98-11-21 20:22:49 EST, you write:
>
> <<
> I refuse to lose my religion, either. Belief diversity is as desirable as
> species diversity, and it is self-contradictory to oppose one while
> supporting the other (not to mention hypocritical and ethically and
> morally bankrupt). Joe
>
> >>
> Hi! Joe, please define "belief diversity?" Does that mean I have to believe
> in the diversity of beliefs and accept that there are diverse beliefs period
> or does it entail embracing and applying those beliefs to my life-no matter
> how contrary to my own beliefs that they are?
>
> Peace!
> Angela
>
It means you do the first and stop trying to force everyone else to do
the second. Joe
