In a message dated 11/24/98 4:44:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << capitalism is human need for power that comes from having a lot > of money! >> Hi folks, this caught my eye! I think the human need for power predates money; money is a form of power. It is hard to isolate a time when the human need for power began; but let us be fully cognizant that the kind of power we are discussing here is supported by any religious or spiritual regime that needs even the appearance of power to support itself. the power from within, which is the power of humility, in at least one sense, can exist anywhere; it is the recognition of our frail powerlessness, ironically. Or so I see it. Blessings to all, Jane >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 24 19:51:36 1998 From: "Joe E. Dees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:51:55 -0600 Subject: Re: ecosystemic wisdom and systemic beliefs/misunderstandings/reply Reply-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-reply-to: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date sent: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 21:10:45 EST Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ecosystemic wisdom and systemic beliefs/misunderstandings/reply > In a message dated 11/24/98 4:44:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << capitalism is human need for power that comes from having a lot > > of money! >> > > Hi folks, > > this caught my eye! I think the human need for power predates money; money is > a form of power. It is hard to isolate a time when the human need for power > began; but let us be fully cognizant that the kind of power we are discussing > here is supported by any religious or spiritual regime that needs even the > appearance of power to support itself. the power from within, which is the > power of humility, in at least one sense, can exist anywhere; it is the > recognition of our frail powerlessness, ironically. > Or so I see it. > > Blessings to all, > Jane > You've heard the phrase "time is money?" Just reverse it! Salaries are (ideally) the product of the amount of time expended in performing a task (labor) multiplied by the amount of time expended in learning how to perform it correctly (education, experience, skill refinement); it is therefore not just crystallized labor (as Marx maintained), but crystallized time. Money represents irreplaceable chunks of our finite lives we carry around in a generic form to trade for irreplaceable chunks of other peoples' lives in more specific forms (goods - raw or produced/manufactured - and services), which themselves require chunks of time to produce/perform. It is the barter system algebra-ized (with money being the variable that can stand in for anything), and has value only in as far as the parties to the exchange agree that (and how much) it does; in other words, as long as both parties agree that the money is worth their time. It is, therefore, neutral, as is the wise management of it; however the excessive love of money, if it produces a willingness to fudge and cheat to get more of it than your time expended deserves at the expense of others, is indeed an evil, for it is the theft of chunks of other peoples' lives (or at least what they could have traded them for), and is therefore a kind of piecemeal murder (tobacco smoking is therefore a double whammy). You are free to draw your own conclusions as to what this reveals concerning the natures of taxation, tithes and tribute. Joe >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 24 20:13:55 1998 (exchange2.ColoradoCollege.edu [205.170.0.20]) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:11:51 -0700 From: Devon Pena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: A Lurker Finally Posts To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dear Ecofem Colleagues, > > I supposed I have been a "lurker" for too long (having been on this list > since it was initiated in 1994-95?). It has been a long time since I > posted anything to this listserv but find that the recent direction of > discussion, especially that which has been provoked by Angela's defense of > Christianity, is much too over-wrought and of limited in value -- > especially for a group of people that is presumably concerned with actual > struggles -- i.e., as opposed to unending ideological debate. > > There are so many issues that we could address in this group. Allow me > some examples: > > 1) the relationship of anti-racist struggles to ecofeminist theory and > practice; for example, the Southwest Network for Environmental and > Economic Justice, (SNEEJ) has brought anti-racist and feminist demands > together in calling for an end to the militiarization of the economy in > New Mexico and other parts of the Southwest. Is anyone on this list even > familiar with actual environmental justice and ecofeminist campaigns? We > are always so caught up in ideological debate that we seldom seem to > address issues of strategy and tactics that ENGAGE us in actual struggles > or that provide an opportunity to learn from actual struggles that are > unfolding in our own communities (barrios, ghettos, reservations, inner > cities, suburbs, bioregions, etc.). > > 2) the relationship between worker-owned and self-managed workplace > cooperatives and the building of alternative organizational forms that > reflect ecofeminist principles (think of the hundreds of examples of third > world women's cooperatives or similar examples within the US). What might > we learn from a discourse over the democratization of the workplace? > > 3) the Zapatista challenge - i.e., the implications of new social > movements for ecofeminist ethics and strategies for the circulation of > struggle from community to institutions. > > 4) the ecofeminist contribution to the critique of western science and > technology; from time to time I have seen postings on the struggles > against genetically-modified foods, biopiracy, patents on life, etc. Why > can't we discuss the campaign against the patenting of life? Is this not > a critical issue for ecofeminists concerned with the threats posed to > ecological and cultural diversity by biotechnology, GATT, NAFTA, etc.? > > I could list a dozen or more such issues that would allow us to take > discussion into new areas of immediate strategic, tactical, > epistemological, and ethical significance. Shall we give it a try and > limit our dogmatic ideological debates to private communications among and > between the members of the listserver? > > More later..... > > Yours warmly, > > Devon Pe�a, Associate Professor > Sociology Department > and Rio Grande Bioregions Project > Colorado College > > >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 24 20:15:50 1998 (exchange2.ColoradoCollege.edu [205.170.0.20]) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 20:13:50 -0700 From: Devon Pena <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: New Book: Chicano Culture, Ecology, Politics: Subversive Kin To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dear Ecofem Colleagues, > > I would like to inform you about a new book: > > Chicano Culture, Ecology, Politics: Subversive Kin, Devon G. Pe�a > (editor). University of Arizona Press. Society, Environment, and Place > Series (Janice Monk and Andrew Kirby, series editors). Available December > 1998 from the University of Arizona Press. > > Table of Contents > > Preface -- Vandana Shiva > > Introduction -- Devon G. Pe�a > > PART ONE: INDOHISPANO LAND ETHICS > > Chapter 1 - "Los animalitos: Chicano Culture, Ecology, and the Politics of > Place in the Upper Rio Grande" -- Devon G. Pe�a > Chapter 2 - "Bioregionalism, Social Action Research, and the Upper Rio > Grande" -- Ruben Martinez > Chapter 3 - "Notes on (Home)Land Ethics: Ideas, Values, and Land" -- > Reyes Garcia > > PART TWO: ENVIRONMENTAL HISTORY AND ECOLOGICAL POLITICS > > Chapter 4 - "Ecological Legitimacy and Cultural Eesentialism: The Case of > Hispano Grazing in Northern New Mexico" -- Laura Pulido > Chapter 5 - "The Capitalist Tool, the Lawless, and the Violent: A Critique > of Recent Southwestern Environmental History," Devon G. Pe�a and Ruben > Martinez > Chapter 6 - "Ecofeminism and Chicano Environmental Struggles: Bridges > Across Gender and Race" -- Gwyn Kirk > Chapter 7 - "Philosophy Meets Practice: A Critique of Ecofeminism through > the Voices of Three Chicana Activists" -- Malia Davis > > PART THREE: ALTERNATIVES TO DESTRUCTION > > Poem -- "The Pasture Poacher" Joseph C. Gallegos > Chapter 8 - "Acequia Tales: Stories from a Chicano Centennial Farm" > Joseph C. Gallegos > Chapter 9 - "A Gold Mine, an Orchard, and an Eleventh Commandment" -- > Devon G. Pe�a > > Bibliography > Subject and Name Index > Notes on Contributors > Maps prepared by Nina Veregge > > I believe my Ecofem colleagues will find a lot of interest in this > collection of historical, ethnographic, philosophical, sociological, > autobiographical and poetic voices. I draw your attention in particular > to the contributions by Gwyn Kirk (one of the founders of the Greenham > Common movement in Great Britain) and Malia Davis on ecofeminism and > Chicanas/os. I believe Angela (and others concerned with spirituality, > religion and ecoactivism) will enjoy chapter nine on "A Gold Mine, an > Orchard, and an Eleventh Commandment" since it deals with the struggles of > a Chicano, and largely Catholic, rural community against environmental > threats posed by mining and logging of their communal watershed. The > preface by Vandana Shiva is also a remarkable contribution that should > behoove us to re-examine the problematic nature of using identity politics > as a basis for new social movements. I find her call for a new politics > of "subversive kin" that unites struggles for ecosystem integrity, > biodiversity, and local cultures to be of utmost significance. I look > forward to hearing from any of you regarding this book. >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 24 21:10:11 1998 From: "Us" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "EcoFem" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fw: *UPS Cuts Waste*Buenos Aires*Chemical Tests Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 22:08:47 -0600 ---------- > From: News from Environmental Defense Fund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: *UPS Cuts Waste*Buenos Aires*Chemical Tests > Date: Tuesday, November 24, 1998 5:20 PM > > EDF DISPATCH: From Environmental Defense Fund > * UPS Cuts Waste * Inside Buenos Aires * Chemical Tests * > Tuesday, November 24, 1998 > More than 300,000 strong > > 1. With EDF Help, UPS Announces Changes in Packaging > 2. Behind the Scenes at the Buenos Aires Talks > 3. Chemical Testing Is A Victory in Public Health: > 4. EDF Supports Wolf Reintroductions in Yellowstone > 5. Protecting the Land to Insure NYC Water Quality > 6. Kids' Poetry Reflects the Season > 7. Support Innovative Solutions: Donate to EDF > 8. 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All rights reserved. >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 24 21:54:47 1998 Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 17:57:28 +1200 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris King) Subject: Clitorectomy and Christianity Dear Ecofem, This began as a reply to Angela and became a rallying cry for a revolution of love about female circumcision as a watershed, upon including in "Genesis of Eden" the final passages from Alice Walker's "Possessing the Secrets of Joy". See the illustrated female circumcision page: http://matu1.math.auckland.ac.nz/~king/Preprints/book/orsin/rites/rite.htm I hope you all realize this IS core "debate on the issue of how religious dogmas influence people in poverty and thus the environment in third world countries" - i.e. valid for Ecofem - thanks Marguerite! One of the things I want to achieve before disincarnating, besides saving the genetic heritage is ending female circumcision worldwide. The first step of the healing is refitting the vulva on Mary which early Christians claim was removed so she could not have experienced sexual pleasure like Eve (isn't virginity enough?) and thus also giving her back Mary her reproductive freedom. 6000 women circumcised a day can't be wrong. "I am a great lover of Jesus, and always have been. Still, I began to see how the constant focus on the suffering of Jesus alone excludes the suffering of others from one's view. And in my sixth year as a member of Adam's congregation, I knew I wanted my own suffering, the suffering of women and little girls, still cringing before the overpowering might and weapons of the torturers, to be the subject of a sermon. Was woman herself not the tree of life? And was she not crucified? Not in some age no one even remembers, but right now, daily, in many lands on earth? One sermon, I begged him. One discussion with your followers about what was done to me. He said the congregation would be embarrassed to discuss something so private and that, in any case, he would be ashamed to do so." Alice Walker Now to deal directly with Angelas lament: >Be Christlike, Obey the Holy Spirit, Honor your Mother and your Father - >Now >you go do what it is you do to save the Earth and each other as >equals and >leave blaming >patriarchial Christianity out of it! >Got it? Angela. I have it! Eureka! The unspeakable source - Christ nature. Not Christ-'like' - the orthodox fallacy. Throughout the centuries everyone has been taught they don't have the source - just bend and be LIKE Jesus. Original sinners can never BE the source, only try to copy Jesus. That I AM. Not LIKE Christ. Christ for Christ's sake! Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh. It's a long tradition. Please remove your shoes and reach for the ointment jar. The true source is utterly frightening and alive. The buck stops here. No place to run, no place to hide. No option but to take cosmic responsibility in freedom. I abide in love with the Holy Spirit and she is pissed at this outrage. I shall not cease to indict patriarchal Christianity with sharp sword tongue. I shall continue diligently until every injustice committed against woman and nature in the name of God is relinquished. This is the judgement and the requital in true love and forgiveness. Not personal belief, but sociobiological liberation from oppression. Chris. _____________________________________________________________________________ Chaos is the Mother of Invention - Necessity the Offspring _____________________________________________________________________________ Chris KING, Phone: 0064-9-3737599 # 8818 Senior Lecturer Mathematics Fax: 0064-9-3737457 University of Auckland E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Private Bag 92019 AUCKLAND, New Zealand. http://matu1.math.auckland.ac.nz/~king/Preprints/book/genesis.htm "Genesis of Eden" - Alta Vista Search
