At Tue, 23 Feb 1999 09:41:56 EST, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 2/22/1999 11:24:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
><< I have been informed that I must apologize for defending myself when I,
>words on a screen, was attacked as a racist by Nicole, other words on a
>screen, on this list. Apparently a person of my complexion and gender is not
>granted such a right, so I apologize, and will try not to wear that short
>dress again. I have learned, however, that it is wiser, when confronted with
>an atmosphere of sexist or racist intolerance, to attempt to "pass" as "one of
>them" than to confess or admit my true sex and color. >>
>
>I think that everyone can look back on our exchange and see that I posted
>something with a query and you attacked me on it (re: Protocols).
>
>Then you went on to say things such as eldridge cleaver, evil whitey, bigoted
>southern whites, women cleaving to brutal men, talked about having a black
>girlfriend, being 1/4 Indian, etc.
>
>None of which I said. All of which you said to me.
>
>But then you call me racist for telling you I don't think that way?
>
>You attacked me for commenting before you even revealed your sex or color and
>I responded to you before you did (remember your surprise?)
>
>As with your vicious, repulsive and sick comments, I reserve the right to not
>be intimdiated or even disturbed that you place those terms toward me. They
>are your thinking and remain yours.
>
>I can apologize to the list for bothering to respond to such a petty, arrogant
>man who feels that I cannot express what I think and that I cannot tell him
>when he is wrong in what I think without his temper tantrum and name calling.
>
>Everyone can read back, even the list maintainer, and see all those terms such
>as "evil whitey" that he brought into this conversation because of his own
>issues. I do wonder about his motive for bringing up such terms? Was it to
>divide the list on to his side, or simply to negate my ability to speak about
>issues which are central to my life, in relation to the ecofeminist topic.
>
>Of course we can all see that he does not want to lose is 'poet, pagan,
>philosopher' image, but really he was not allowing anyone to express a
>philsophy on an issue -from the very time I commented on the Protocols - to
>even when he redefines that quote I made from a brasilian feminist to an
>"eldridge cleaver" model and to the point where he decides that his
>experiences as a black woman are equal to mine, and to hers.
>
>Now he says that he should have pretended to be something other than the white
>male he is, so as to be able to argue as he wants on such experiences.
>
>Would it be correct for him to attack my views on black feminism by pretending
>to be a black woman?
>
>Or to pretend to be a native american when challenging native americans when
>they express their feelings on topics of land and culture?
>
>If he is willing to pretend in this way, why do we think he is not pretending
>to be an Ecofeminist or a feminist at all, but just wanting to participate and
>impose his ideas on others in that area?
>
>Certainly when I attempted to speak on my view the first time, he began an
>attack, and then he continued that way, repeatedly tossing up words, phrases,
>people that were not in my words to attempt to categorize them - and doing
>that as I spoke about an issue primary in my life as a black woman? And his
>only apology is that he didn't pretend to be a black woman in saying those
>things?
>
>Were is the feminist in that? Am I the only one who doesn't see it?
>
>Nicole
I have no choice but to wear that short dress which is my gender and race, as I have
admitted them here. Apparently that grants some people to attack either me or their
(mis)conception of me, while any attempt I make in my own defence is condemned. and
others say, "Well, he's wearing that (white male) dress, he must have asked fore it,
let's pile on. I also have nothing but your word that you are either black or female,
yet you wave those identities around like they're a club with a nail in it, and treat
mine as though they come outfitted with a "kick me" sign. You go right ahead and play
your sadistic baiting games; I have no interest in either them, or you.
BTW, as to your attempt to embarass me by posting the email I wrote you concerning
unleesh and the Unabomber Manifesto: it failed. Unleesh and I have debated our
relative positions publicly on this list and I said nothing to you privately that I
have not said to unleesh publicly on this list. As for my opinion of the book in
question - I'm entitled to one, having read it. Have you? If so, I would be most
interested in hearing your opinoin of it, just about anything besides your aspersion
casting and hyperaggressive guilting. Why don't you start by addressing your prior
abuse of another list member who dared to commit the crime of writing a book about
Dian Fossey?
Joe E. Dees
Poet, Pagan, Philosopher
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