Hello,
RE: Haley's message and her assertion that "We are hear to
discuss/debate/disagree on topics,
principles, etc., not to attack each other personally" isn't that exactly
what we did here today....eg. discuss/debate/disagree??? We need not
confuse passionate arguments/responses with "attacks".
Jessica
At 02:07 PM 3/8/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Nicole wrote:
>
>If you bothered to read what I wrote, I said that I believed my
>"witnesses" about such things, and they - not joe dees - were the people
>I looked to, as guides.
>I decide what witnesses count for me. I think you lack an understanding
>that I am coherent enough a person to decide my witnesses and evaluate
>them. You seem to negate any idea that I could not only do that, but
>also bring in my own knowledge and experiences. Let me just say clearly
>that I am able to make decisions, choose whom I believe and whom I do
>not, decide what "wisdom" I will take and what I judge to be fake. I can
>say what I don't like about what someone has said, and what I like about
>what someone has said.
>
>If you cannot understand why I would think that way, then fine. However,
>there are many who would understand - perhaps it is just cultural.
>
>Susan, I do not (and never did) expect you or joe dees to have the same
>respect for my "witnesses" as I do, nor do I have any concern that you
>do. I also do not expect you to understand a host of other perspectives
>that I have - and again, I do not need you at all to validate them in
>anyway.
>
>I am not naive enough to think that I will change the mental paradigms
>that anyone has been raised with, certainly not people on this list. I
>believe that some on this list, including you Susan, have the mental
>paradigm that negate the experiences of others, perhaps most often black
>people, or people of color, and reject the idea that you cannot feel
>everything and know everything of experiences of those people.
>
>(not that your family would necessarily be able to raise him with this
>sense of consciousness and connection)
>
>One day, your grandson may (if he is so blessed) be able to turn to you
>and be irritated that grandma thinks she knows how it feels to be a
>black person and discriminated against.
>
>However, your paradigm just won't allow you to see it. If I
>had to be around you, interact with you, I would find it infuriatingly
>untolerable. Fortunately, you don't exist for me any more than I exist
>for you.
>
>I would like to voice my disgust for the personal attacks Nicole has
>waged on Susan. We are hear to discuss/debate/disagree on topics,
>principles, etc., not to attack each other personally. Susan's post was
>not mean and did not justify such a mean response. Nicole, venting your
>hatred on this list is not the way to highten awareness and/or solve any
>environmental, racial, or feminist problem.
>
>Hayley
>
>
>
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