Rachel
Thanks for the encouragement. And thanks for the hotlink to your
(potentially) great page! I can't remember when an individual's home page
raised a smile for me, let alone a laugh. And Jeffrey Zeldman's page might
while away time I will probably resent having whiled away.
Big disappointment though--- I clicked to find out what you think of Bill
Gates and Geocities said 'Oops'. Well, I can guess what you think, but it
was a shame all the same. In the meantime, what do you think or know about
freeware as an alternative? Very simple answers please. I am not nor ever
will be interested in how these damn things work.
Susan
-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel M. Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: STUDIES IN WOMEN AND ENVIRONMENT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 16 March 1999 16:26
Subject: Re: #** Key avenues to the Heart of Eco-RENEWAL **#
>At 9:03 AM 99/3/16, Elizabeth MacNabb wrote:
>>>Would the world be a better place with 1,000 more of you, or >Susan, or
>>Joe Dees on the side of change or would the world
>>>be worse? Not only do we need each and every one we can muster on >board,
>>but I believe we need ten thousand times more who are >researching,
>>investigating, writing, arguing, clashing, consoling, >questioning,
>>complaining, and speaking Ecofem. We need twenty >million times more who
>>are actually participating Ecofem in
>>>every media possible. Even then we would have far too few.
>>
>>Thank you Donna for your wise words, and Susan, and Jane, and Chris, and
>>Joe, and all the others whose voices of reason/spirit have made an effort
>>to keep our list together. I second you. We need every one of us who care
>>about ecofeminism. Let's give ourselves the benefit of the doubt.
>>Sending all good thoughts to you, --E.
>
>I second all of this. The paper I'm trying to write (about ecofeminism,
>deep ecology, radical feminism) feels like it should include components of
>this whole nasty, angry debate between 'factions'. It disappoints me when
>the left breaks up into diversity (various feminisms, environmentalisms,
>postmodernism, etc. etc.) which we respect, only to end up in
>catfighting...
>
>I don't know about you but I came here to find out about ecofeminism. A
>lot of what I've hear so far is mudslinging, immature whining. That there
>are sexist people in the newsgroup - well, yes, Usenet and listservs are
>written by humans afterall. The opinions we find offensive are disturbing
>- reality is disturbing enough - but for once I'd like to see some kind of
>defense other than name calling or 'I'm being kicked off the listserv - but
>you can't coz I leave! Ha! (the old 'you can't fire me coz I quit')'. If
>they disturb you so much, challenge them by education not ad hominem
>attacks, but if they don't change overnight, then start a
>newsgroup/listserv of your own, and make it invite only so you can block
>out who you want. (end of rant)
>
>Now that my childish rant is over, I have to say that I agree with Donna
>and Elizabeth's wise words...
>We do need every one in support of ecofeminism. For now, giving ourselves
>the benefit of the doubt seems more caring, respectiveful and responsible
>in the long run somehow... we should be willing to challenge our
>presuppositions (especially if they're outmoded or insensitive) but we
>should remember that despite our differences we are here because of our
>belief in ecofeminism. Let's direct anger at those who are worthy of our
>ire. Actually, let me just say 'ditto Elizabeth and Donna'. I'm not
>articulate today.
>
>(end of rant, for sure, this time)
>
>Rachel
>
>Yes, Yet Another Lefty Signature Line
>
>~The Resistance Will Be As Transnational As Capital..."the collapse of the
>global marketplace would be a traumatic event with unimaginable
>consequences. Yet I find it easier to imagine than the continuation of the
>present regime." - George Soros
>~Nothing ever burns down by itself/Every fire needs a little bit of
>help...- Chumbawamba
>~Be ashamed to die until you have won some victory for humanity. - Horace
Mann
>~You can hold yourself back from the sufferings of the world, this is
>something you are free to do and is in accord with your nature, but perhaps
>precisely this holding back is the only suffering that you might be able to
>avoid - Franz Kafka
>~The sociologist, in his quest for understanding, moves through the world
>of men without respect for the usual lines of demarcation - Peter L. Berger
>~Thank you to everyone who recognizes that there is more to a city, a
>people, a nation, more to human endeavor than that which can be measured in
>the terms dictated by the goddamn, so-called free market. - Guillermo
>Verdecchia, 1993.
>~Unless either philosophers become kings in their countries or those who
>are now called kings and rulers come to be sufficiently inspired with a
>genuine desire for widom; unless, that is to say, political power and
>philosophy meet together, while the many natures who now go their several
>ways in the one or the other direction are forcibly debarred from doing so,
>there can be no rest from troubles, my dear Glaucon, for states, nor yet,
>as I believe, for all mankind. - Plato's Republic, v. 473
>++++ stop the execution of Mumia Abu-Jamal +++
>++++ if you agree copy these 3 sentences in your own sig ++++
>++++ see: http://www.xs4all.nl/~tank/spg-l/sigaction.htm ++++
>
>(latest favourite quote as of Saturday, February 27th, 1999 2:10 PM
>Toronto, Kanata. Come check out my slowly-being-brought-back-to-life
>webpage at http://welcome.to/rachelshomepage )
>
>
