On Tue, 20 Sep 1994 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi, my name is Paige Brown, I have an MS in Environmental
> Economics, & @ BA's - English (where I did Feminist film studies)
> and Ag. Economics. I currently live and work in Washington DC at
> the World Resources Institute my area of work is forestry and
> global warming. I was strongly inculcated with free market
> ideology.  I am interested in the connections between patriarchal
> social systems and the subjugation of women and the degradation
> of the environment. 

        I think there is no way of separating them;  both are, in 
patriarchal systems, viewed only for what man can take from them, not 
what they may have to give or what man can give *back.*

> Regarding Bob A's question what is ecofem, again there seems to
> be several schools of thought. I am uncomfortable with the more
> spiritually based side of ecofeminism and am opposed to what I
> would term the essentialist expressions of ecofeminis. I think it
> is problematic to associate women with nature, (and here I am
> thinking specifically of Vandana Shiva's works). I find Shiva
> very interesting, but fundamentally disagree that women are
> "naturally" more nurturing, nature-connected etc...

        Haven't read Shiva, but the point you are making is valid.  Women 
are no more(and probably no *less*) nuturing, connected to nature, or 
whatever, than men are.  Being connected to nature and being nuturing are 
combinations of personality traits, possibly inborn tendencies, and 
conscious will.

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