>Sebastian Luque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
>
>We will probably find that those pathways have absolutely nothing to do
>with wealth per se, at least immediately, but a lot with social struggles
>for power and control of resources.  Besides confusing correlation and
>cause-effect, Wirt's argument implies that poor countries have the
>*choice* to either protect or destroy their environment.  Given the
>current world distribution of power (which goes hand in hand with wealth),
>it's clear that they didn't choose to destroy the environment because
>they're poor and ignorant.
>

While I agree with Wirt that poverty and lack of education (defined as the 
absence of necessary information) are probably significant factors shaping the 
particulars of environmental degradation, both within the US and in developing 
countries, Sebastian raises the central point.  I teach international 
development, amongst other things,, and so am acutely aware of the power of the 
US dollar to shape resource consumption decisions in developing countries.  
Most nations have, literally, no choice but to generate dollars, if they are to 
buy anything in the international marketplace.  This is a huge skew in decision 
making.  Pollution and resource degradation are, at least partly, outcomes of 
this skew, I would argue. 

It is usually the quest for wealth that drives ecological degradation, rather 
than poverty per se.  (There are plenty of examples of poor people living 
ecologically low impact lives, so it can't be poverty, per se, but must be some 
particular variant of poverty--perhaps poverty-in-search-of-wealth--that is at 
play here.)

If you do get around to seeing Darwin's Nightmare, it will become quickly 
apparent that there is a high social cost to local populations of the national 
need to generate foreign exchange earnings.  Sebastian's point, that "choice" 
in developing countries is complexly shaped by exogenous forces, is worth 
keeping in mind.  Wealth creation is the key process here.  Human ingenuity 
apart, most of the matter-energy components of wealth creation seem to rest, 
under capitalism, on the externalization of costs onto nature.  Otherwise known 
as pollution and environmental degradation.

Cheers,
-
  Ashwani
     Vasishth      [EMAIL PROTECTED]      (818) 677-6137
                           Assistant Professor
     Department of Urban Studies and Planning, ST 206
            California State University, Northridge
                 http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~vasishth

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