Although the paper below deals with plants, you may be able to glean
concepts relevant to your system.

Richardson, D.M., P. Pysek, M. Rejmanek, M.G. Barbour, F.D. Panetta &
C.J. West.  2000.  Naturalization and invasion of alien plants:
concepts and definitions.  Diversity and Distributions 6:93-107.

They address the many meanings of "invasive" and propose, based on a lit
review, certain definitions.  They also consider how far back we go for
a species' introduction to not be considered alien or exotic.

Best wishes,
Teresa

Teresa Woods
Graduate Assistant
Division of Biology
232 Ackert Hall
Kansas State University
Manhattan, KS  66506
785-532-9834
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Quoting Dave Thomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Mr. Mowbray,
>
> I would disagree with your claim that "we" ecologists (smile) agree
> that
> early succession natives are "invasive species" in the sense of the
> Ms.
> Faber's question.  I was out of town during that last discussion
> (still
> trying to find the time to go thru it and comment), but my knee-jerk
> response to your statement is: lumping natives and exotics lumps
> different issues together and would be a mistake.
>
> Ms. Faber,
>
> I have worked with the issue of invasive species often over the last
> 5
> years in the field of restoration ecology.  Obviously this is in the
> applied sense, and much of the conceptual work preceded my own.  But
> I
> have also had to accept, reject or adapt the concepts I have learned.
> This has led me to develop an opinion on the subject...
>
> Of course what's needed is consensus, not more opinions; fortunately
> there are examples of majority consensus.  One I am familiar with: in
> California State, the problematic species are called "noxious weeds".
> That term traditionally relates to plants that invade agricultural
> crops
> but the definition has widened as the State learned that plants can
> be
> significant negative impacts in other sectors of the economy.  You
> can
> get more info on that program here:
>
> http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/phpps/ipc/noxweedinfo/noxweedinfo_hp.htm
>
> And here are several definitions of "weeds":
> http://www.blm.gov/ca/pa/weeds/weed_definitions.html
>
> It has been my experience that the term "invasive" is singularly
> subjective, and I can appreciate many (but not all) of those, ah, let
> me
> just say it - value judgment.  Just as you pointed out, "bad" is a
> value
> judgment; so too is "invasive".  Therefore, you will have to
> determine
> what your criteria are for making that judgment, preferably a priori.
>
> In your pursuit of a working definition of "invasive" I suggest you
> start by defining what is "native".  The components of 'nativity'
> will
> guide your definition of what is not, and how that difference relates
> to
> the ecology of your system.  And from that point you can look at an
> exotic species' impacts and determine your value judgment of what is
> "invasive".
>
> Components of nativity: the temporal component is important.  Are you
> going to rely upon historical accounts or work with the
> paleoecologists
> on what was present in, say, the pollen record.  For example:
>
>
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-9122%28197811%2F12%2965%3A10%3C111
> 7%3ATOOCSV%3E2.0.CO%3B2-6&size=LARGE
>
> Your question, "does how long ago it was introduced matter?" is a
> good
> one.  Perhaps rather than set a "naturalization" time period rule,
> consider ranking other factors higher.  If a species (or a direct
> ancestor...) is known by paleobiologists to have occurred onsite
> prior
> to human influence then you are safe in assuming it is a native.  If
> not, then you may have to consider other factors in determining what
> "matters".
>
> Other factors... there is a good group in my State that deals with
> invasive plants: http://www.cal-ipc.org/  if you look at their
> invasive
> plant inventory it will state a short blurb for each category that I
> think is very helpful.  Sorry I am not much help with the other
> Kingdoms
> but perhaps these concepts will be applicable in yours or at least
> wrap
> your brain around the concepts?
>
> All that and I didn't even get to use my favorite label:
> "Cosmopolitan
> Species"... (eucalyptus trees in California) but it is Friday!  I'd
> be
> happy to discuss this more if you wish.
>
>
> David Thomson M.S.
> Restoration Ecologist/Wetlands Scientist
> Schaaf & Wheeler
> 100 N. Winchester Blvd., Suite 200
> Santa Clara, CA 95050-6566
> (408) 246-4848 x119
> (408) 246-5624 (fax)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:31 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Definition of invasive species...
>
> Betty -
>
> We had a long discussion on this topic right here about a week or so
> ago.  The discussion went on for about 10 days.  I assume that this
> listserve has an archive which members can access.  If so, you might
> want to take a look at the archives for the month of April (perhaps
> even
> the last couple of days of March, but if you look at the first week
> or
> so of April that should tell you whether you need to expand your
> search
> on either end).  The discussion started when someone asked for
> suggestions for textbooks to use in teaching ecology to landscape
> architecture students.
>
> I think that we agreed that an invasive does not have to be
> introduced -
> that many early successionary species are invasives.  Invasive
> exotics
> are introduced, and, I don't think it should make any difference how
> long ago they have been introduced although perhaps it shoujld be
> limited to the time period during which man has had the capability to
> spread invasive exotics to new environments.   I would classify
> domestic
> animals which have the ability to escape and outcompete native plants
> and animals as invasives - feral cats perhaps.  Certainly goats in
> places like the Galapagos.
>
> Bob Mowbray
> Tropical Forest Ecologist
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Betty Faber
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 1:19 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Definition of invasive species...
>
> I am working up some programs on the Asian long-horned beetle and
> more
> general aspects of invasive organisms.
>
> >From a cursory glance at the internet, and various publications,
> there
> seems
> to be many different definitions for "invasive species."
>
> Are there accepted views on this term?  I would guess that an
> invasive
> is
> always introduced but does "how long go it was introduced" matter?
> Are
> invasives always "bad" and does bad have real meaning? Are domestic
> animals
> that are not indigenous considered invasives?
>
> Thank you for any discussion.
>
> Betty Faber, PhD
> Science Consultant
> Liberty Science Center
>
>

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