Perhaps I'm a bit naïve but I thought Irwin did a great job of showing the 
audience a variety of wildlife, explaining it in simple terms, and showing 
respect and enthusiasm regarding wildlife.  I don't think wildlife biologists 
were his intended audience.  When my son was 5, he'd have his big rubber snake 
on the ground and would start explaining things about it, then try to "capture" 
it like Irwin might.  He knew (and still knows) better than to do this with a 
real snake because 1)Irwin talked about the dangers of the animals he dealt 
with, and 2)I explained to him that people like Irwin go to college and learn 
from other professionals.  (yes, I know there are self-taught naturalists)  
People like Irwin (I honestly don't know anything about Treadwell) and other 
naturalists shown on Animal Planet and Discoery may be showman of sorts, but 
they are also bringing wildlife into the homes of people that normally don't 
see it and may not otherwise appreciate it.  

The next time you see a kid, ask if they ever watched Irwin, and what they 
might have learned.  Then ask them if they know any biologists from any state 
DNR or from any university in the country and what that person does.  I have a 
feeling it will be  a very humbling discussion.

Matt Buffington, Statewide Environmental Biologist
Indiana Dept. of Natural Resources
Division of Fish and Wildlife
402 W. Washington St., Room W273
Indianapolis, IN  46204
 
Phone: 317-234-0586
Cell: 317-430-4350
Fax: 317-232-8150
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From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:[EMAIL 
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Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 11:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: critical essay on the antics of Irwin and Treadwell

Quite frankly, I found the Jonkel essay quoted below to be an over-the-top, 
egotistical rant. Please, everyone, lighten up. Treadwell may have been a 
nutcase, but Steve Irwin was a children's entertainer, and performed a very 
valuable function. The ignorance about and level of fear of normal wildlife in 
our mostly urban environs is incredible. 
People whacking opossums over the head with shovels thinking that they're giant 
rats, mothers shrieking and calling the cops (and
newspapers) at the glimpse of coyotes (notorious devourers of children), snake 
phobia, ad nauseum ad infinitum. Steve Irwin's 'antics' showed kids (and many 
ignorant adults) that wildlife was not to be feared and mindlessly obliterated 
on sight. This message is best presented to certain audiences, perhaps the ones 
that need it most, just as Irwin presented it. We can all sit in our ivory 
towers and hold up the best wildlife documentaries as the models, and proclaim 
all other pedagogical techniques as tacky, but that ignores most of the 
potential audience. 
Though not a fan of Irwin, I never saw any animal abuse or killings, but rather 
respect and awe, just the things you want to inculcate in children. Sure, he 
was a showman, and the success he had is perhaps the source of some jealousy on 
the part of less successful educators.

William R. Porter

> Date:    Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:55:49 +0000
> From:    stan moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: critical essay on the antics of Irwin and Treadwell
>
> Folks -- the following essay was published on 
> http://www.counterpunch.org
>
> I tend to agree with Dr. Jonkel about Steve Irwin and the late Timothy 
> Treadwell.  Both of these men were entertainers who used wildlife as 
> their props to attract an audience and whose antics I believe were 
> never in the best interest of the wyldlife they so claimed to love.  
> This does not mean that science and education cannot be co-mingled, 
> but there are lines of ethics that should not be crossed and I believe 
> that jumping on crocodiles for entertaining television footage or 
> invading the comfort zones of large bears for the same reason cross 
> those lines.  Paradoxically, these sort of human behaviors tend to get 
> corrected by the targets of the behaviors when those wildlife have had enough.
>
> Stan Moore      San Geronimo, CA      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> here is the essay I spoke of:
>
>
> September 25, 2006
>
> "People of the Croc Hunter Ilk are Worse Than the Most Bloodthirsty 
> Slob Hunter"
> Save a Grizzly, Visit a Library
> By Dr. CHARLES JONKEL
>
> The mass media, wildlife film industry, wildlife filmmakers, Hollywood 
> celebrities and wildlife agencies need a good dressing down. The 
> proliferation of "el cheapo," entertainment-oriented wildlife films 
> causes drastic impacts on wildlife species worldwide. As humans become 
> ever more oriented to human creations, totally urban lifestyles, glitz 
> and glitter, personalities, high-speed everything, oddball "moments," 
> self-centered blogs, instant wealth at anything's expense, frivolous 
> religion and politics, and endless/meaningless drivel and marketing, wild 
> animals suffer.
>
> So the Croc Hunter was done in by a stingray and Timothy Treadwell by 
> a brown bear. In both cases they earned their own demise, fooling with 
> nature, doing goofy things with large and formidable animals better left 
> alone.
>
> Steve Irwin's stupid behaviors with animals ­ teasing them, getting 
> too close, goading them into attacks ­ not only teaches bad value and 
> interactions relative to wildlife, but will be copied by thousands of 
> other airheads for decades to come and has set ever lower standards 
> for the media-an industry which constantly exploits wildlife with 
> quick-and-dirty films, film clips, and wildlife "news" focused on the trivial.
>
> For 29 years I have rallied against such wildlife pornography. I 
> created the International Wildlife Film Festival to set high standards 
> and to promote the production of high-quality wildlife films. Even 
> before IWFF, I recognized that bears (in particular) were vulnerable 
> to excessive and dramatized reporting and human interest. I started 
> early on (the early
> 1960s) to teach not exploiting bear "charisma" for profit and gain, or 
> to enhance one's ego. I have always used bears as a medium to teach 
> and communicate about science and nature, but in ways not detrimental 
> to the bears.
>
> Likewise, for decades I have been trying to encourage wildlife 
> agencies, wildlife researchers, managers, law enforcement people, and 
> university-level wildlife departments to deal with extensive wildlife 
> exploitation within the mass media, the wildlife film industry, and wildlife 
> film marketing.
> Professionals, well aware of the terrible impacts on wildlife by 
> market hunters early in the 1960s, have steadfastly remained in denial 
> about wildlife in the wildlife film marketplace. Even today, almost no 
> wildlife management, research, or law enforcement is practiced on, 
> focused on, or taught about the enormous, deleterious effects of bad 
> wildlife filmmaking, distribution, marketing or screening.
>
> I often note that hunters, fishermen and trappers are constantly 
> controlled, regulated, held to high sportsman standards and pursued 
> for violations. The typical hunter has a wad of papers about 200 pages 
> long in his or her pocket in order to "stay legal," to guide on bag 
> limits, seasons, hunting times, sex and age, closed or open areas, 
> care of the meat, caliber of the rifle or type of shot used, etc. In 
> the meantime, those same agencies encourage and aid countless 
> filmmakers, camera crews, photographers, editors, writers, and 
> whatever to go out and do whatever they want, when they want and where 
> they want. Staff biologists are not encouraged to monitor, evaluate 
> and speak out on, or control, wildlife productions. The content is 
> basically considered entertainment for in the evening, not a wildlife 
> professional's responsibility. Treadwell, for example, was allowed to do many 
> things illegal for others to do.
>
> Worse, perhaps, the needed standards, ethical evaluations, impacts on 
> wildlife and actions needed are not included in wildlife textbooks or 
> classrooms. The whole matter is studiously ignored, as not important 
> in the profession of wildlife biology, despite the 29 years that IWFF 
> and the Great Bear Foundation have called for action. "Poachers with a 
> camera" still mostly write their own rules. People like Irwin and 
> Treadwell still do what they damn well please with animals-countless 
> actions that a hunter would be fined and jailed for. Star-struck is for kids, 
> not wildlife professionals.
> Filmmaking should not be an allowable way to exploit wildlife for 
> money and fame. The National Geographic Society and the Discovery 
> Channel and all of their defenders should hang their heads in shame 
> for promoting stupid TV actions over sound wildlife biology.
>
> So why does this problem go on forever? People steal the charisma of 
> the animals to boost their own ego and status, which translates into 
> money. It is always the money. So far as I care, wildlife will be 
> considerably better off without Treadwell and Irwin. Where are the 
> other voices of the people who should object? Why should the balance 
> always be stacked for the sensational, the glitz?
>
> Charles Jonkel is president of the Missoula-based Great Bear 
> Foundation
>
> ------------------------------

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that happiness is no longer a possibility. Yet when I talk with my gardener, 
I'm convinced of the opposite.

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