An alternative?  How about a good horse?  They work quite well, and 
their by-product can be used to help increase the yield of their 
required energy source!  :)



Quoting joseph gathman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>> However I have not seen anyone address the broader >
> question of what alternatives we have in the long   >
> run.
>
> I'm glad you are raising the issue, but this is the
> wrong question.  There is no "alternative" in the
> sense that there is anything out there to replace all
> that we get from oil.
>
> The pressing problem is NOT that oil will run out
> eventually, but that production can no longer be
> increased - even while human population and energy
> demand increase.
>
> I'm glad to finally see some folks on this list (in
> this thread) pointing to "peak oil" related websites.
> Evidence is growing that we have, in fact, peaked.
> I'm embarrassed that ecologists have generally not
> entered this discussion, but the scientists and
> technical types who have, and who have crunched the
> numbers, can find no alternatives that add up to
> replace oil.  Conservation and reduction, plus long
> term population decrease, are the only answers,
> barring a new miracle technology.
>
> History and recent events suggest that there will be
> no serious attempt to address these issues until we
> have a crisis.  And then we can only hope that wisdom
> will prevail and avoid further resource wars.  Oh, and
> that we finally find a way to deal with the 800-pound
> population-growth gorilla in the room.  They say that
> hope springs eternal, but my hope-spring is waning.
> "Eternal" might mean "asymptotically approaching a
> lower limit of zero".
>
> Joe Gathman
> Fulbright Fellow
> or at least Half-bright, I hope
> Zaporizhya, Ukraine
>
>
>
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