Honorable Ecolog Forum:

I'm attaching some correspondence regarding a comment received 
regarding my last post.  First, it is a good example of how criticism 
can help hone a finer edge on scholarship (not that there was any 
particular scholarship involved in my stream-of-consciousness piece, 
but I think responsibility to accuracy is not--or at least should not 
be--limited to scholarly work.  Second, it is an example of how easy 
it was for me to uncritically accept and propagate such sloppy 
"statistics."  Sloppy though they may be, however, they may or may 
not be significantly misleading; however, even in the case of the 
latter, I apologize for passing on statements that now seem to me to 
be more in the line of Chamber-of-Commerce type bombast that 
scientific integrity.

In the hope that others on the list will have information to 
contribute, I am attaching the text of an email I sent to some local 
authorities.  For those interested, I will post all replies at a 
later time (I will soon be leaving for a month or so, traveling 
through New Mexico and Arizona, so I will be "dark" during that 
time).  There is the issue of the validity of the claim about San 
Diego county's supposed uniqueness with respect to species diversity, 
and the more general issue of how best to aggregate data and use it 
to convey a more realistic picture of the facts.

Thanks to all,
WT

David:

Thanks. Point well-taken. I have never like this generalization, and 
I am taking steps to try to clarify the reality as opposed to a 
"statistic" that uses a largely irrelevant context (i.e., political 
boundaries). I am going to submit this to Ecolog-l for information, 
but will clip your email, since you apparently wanted to keep this 
correspondence off-list.

WT

PS: This is the kind of interchange that helps improve our work.

Note: In future correspondence, I hope that everyone will retain the 
relevant emails and/or retain the original Subject lines when 
changing them so I don't have to hunt them up to refer to them or can 
at least find them more easily in the giant haystack of emails. I 
know, it's messy, but it's handy.


At 09:24 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote:
>Wayne-
>
>I believe the high biodiversity in Southern California's counties, 
>chiefly SD and LA, is in part due to their size. Counties in other 
>states just aren't as large.
>
>Cheers,
>
>David


Here is the text of the email I sent to some local authorities, for 
those interested.  It includes text from previous postings, so some 
may have no need to read that part, or at least all of it.

Dear Judy, Jon, and others interested:

David (see his email text below; the text that stimulated his comment 
is below that) may have a good point, and I would like to know at 
least whether size sufficiently distorts the data to be significantly 
misleading. I do recognize, however, the absurdity of employing 
political boundaries when citing such "statistics." This does not 
necessarily mean that the claim of San Diego county's uniqueness 
should necessarily be abandoned altogether, but I do believe that I, 
and others who make such claims should be prepared to further explain 
it in more disciplined terms.

I will appreciate your comments on this issue, and any disciplined 
studies that might be used to bring greater clarity to it.

In the alternative, I can visualize an "isodiversity" map that not 
only illustrates San Diego's "rank" with respect to species 
diversity, but illustrates other regions that have varying degrees of 
diversity. Similarly, I would like to see a similar map that 
illustrates the occurrence of endemics (again, with respect to what 
kind of boundaries?). I do not know whether or not such maps exist, 
or if there are any research projects that are aimed in this 
direction. I would prefer to see the data aggregated without respect 
to artificial boundaries--perhaps "bioregions." But then, how would 
one define bioregions?

I would appreciate your comments on any matters you consider relevant 
to these issues. I hope you can refer me to reliable literature as well.


Best,
WT

I don't seem to have Jon's email anymore


>Wayne-
>
>I believe the high biodiversity in Southern California's counties, 
>chiefly SD and LA, is in part due to their size. Counties in other 
>states just aren't as large.
>
>Cheers,
>
>David


To provide context, here is the text which stimulated David's 
comment, together with the initial stimulus, should you need to refer 
to it for clarification (the most relevant text is in [[  ]] the rest 
you can probably ignore):

Subject: Ecology and Economy and Eco nomics  Guns or butter and gas 
or gastronomy Re: Ethanol (in)efficiency
To: [email protected]

Most Grand High Fellow Ecologgers:

Speaking of Mexico and corn, there's a great pair of photographs in
A. Starker Leopold's "Wildlife of Mexico: the game birds and mammals"
(1959) illustrating several feet of soil erosion of a corn field and
the resulting apparent loss of "yield." (I don't recall any mention
of the ecosystem that was destroyed (that caused the soil to
accumulate in the first place) to make the corn field, or any notes
on its productivity and utility as an uncultivated, and thus "free"
and sustainable source of nutrition. And I recall flying over the
northern coast of Turkey in 1962, and observing the browning of the
Black Sea by the sediment-laden rivers, then, up those rivers seeing
great landslides in action, dumping stunted trees and stumps from
unceasing logging and corn fields, cultivated by gangs of men with
great hoes, on slopes so steep one could barely stand on them. I
thought of this process, not to mention the huge flocks of goats
cutting down just about every other form of vegetation, and how many
years this process had been going on, wondering how much longer an
increasingly impoverishing "living" could go on utterly decimating
ecosystem productivity there in the name of agriculture and
forestry. I couldn't help but wonder just what the "Land of Milk and
Honey" farther south might have been like a few thousand years ago,
and what it was like before the domestication of plants and animals
drove the last vestiges of Eden from "The Promised Land."

Back here in "River City" (San Diego CA USA) I could snorkel for
abalone (big ones, too) on a single dive in 15 feet of water in the
early 1970's and heard tales of old-timers (indigenous people in this
case) driving a wagon into a stream on their way to a 4th of July
picnic in the early part of the 20th century and spearing large trout
from it for the feast. The local historical society has at least one
photograph of a ten-foot-high wagonload of huge Pismo clams destined
as fertilizer for the oat fields that displaced vernal pools (unique,
small ecosystems--just about as contained as a subset of the earth
ecosystem as you can get) on the mesas (now, by the way, clogged with
shopping centers, parking lots, and "Big Box" stores stuffed with
consumers of stuff I don't want and wouldn't eat. The San Diego
River, and many others, even in this semi-arid region, supported a
steelhead fishery, now long gone, its watershed increasingly paved
and landscaped, and damed to the maximum. Local "environmentalists"
like to crow about the San Diego "River's" (mostly a ditch between
shopping centers and golf courses and sports stadiums)
"restoration." True, it beats a concrete-lined channel (which part
of it is), but the meanders and the riparian woodland and most of the
marshes are now gone, the few remainders largely mud-holes that are
far from the species-rich habitats wasted by development of the flood
plain, made possible by the dams upstream. [[So far, the county
remains the most biologically diverse in the nation, according to
local authorities, but how long can that statistic last? It is
apparently largely the result of a gigantic historic ecotone where
two major floristic associations and their associated animal biota
have come together, sharing species and genes and having a good ol'
time mixing 'em. To some extent it might be an artifact of time and
even greater degradation elsewhere. The motto of "modern" culture
might be, "Today biofuels ("they" are actually again proposing that
this diverse ecosystem--aka "brush" be cut, chipped, pressed, and
used as fuel), tomorrow the Promised Land!" (You know, I don't doubt
it for a second.)]]

All this is to illustrate Warren's point with some specifics that
illustrate principles and build on it. I'm not sure whether or not I
was deluded enough to think that "trickle-down" economics had only to
do with our getting some crumbs from the tables of the mega-feasters
and licking their plates. Warren's story hit me in the face--"we"
are running our SUV's on the crumbs (increasingly subsidized by
US--under which peanut hull or corn cob doth the pea rest?) once
trickled down to Mexico's poor.

Terrorism or "sustainability?"

WT

"As ye sow, so shall ye rape." Anon

"I laugh, lest I weep." Anon

"Soil is a lot cheaper to save than to make." Anon

At 07:56 PM 1/31/2007, Warren W. Aney wrote:
 >I've just heard a BBC news report of protests in Mexico over the increasing
 >price for corn flour and tortillas (an important diet product made from corn
 >flour).  Apparently the U.S. is a big source for this corn, and a reason
 >given for this increased price was the (potential? actual?) increased demand
 >for corn to produce ethanol.
 >
 >Warren Aney
 >Senior Wildlife Ecologist

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