>I might add a quote from 2005 from spotted owl expert Dr. Eric Forsman that 
>occured in the print media:
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>``Assuming you find removal is working _ spotted owls move back into their 
>territories _ are you prepared to do that for the next 10,000 years? 
>Because as soon as you stop you're right back where you started,'' said 
>Eric Forsman, a spotted owl biologist for the U.S. Forest Service.
>
>Stan Moore     San Geronimo, CA
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>>Subject: draft recovery plan for northern spotted owls raises questions 
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>>Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:43:48 +0000
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>>The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has announced the completion and
>>availability of a new draft recovery plan for the northern spotted owl.  
>>One
>>threat is emphasized primarily in this recovery plan, and it is a threat
>>that was essentially non-existent at the time the species was listed.  The
>>barred owl has experienced a long-term range expansion that has brought it
>>into virtually all habitat types occupied by spotted owls and now the 
>>barred
>>owl is considered a threat to the spotted owl.  The primary management
>>technique emphasized in the recovery plan is lethal control of barred owls
>>over vast area and in large numbers.  Much of this management (lethal
>>control) is for the stated purpose of experimenting to see how the
>>management might impact the listed species; in other words, the "threat" 
>>is
>>anecdotal.
>>
>>Is anyone here aware of a precedent in endangered species protections and
>>management in which a competitive species has experienced a huge range
>>expansion during the period of listing resulting in a perceived threat to
>>the listed species?
>>
>>I am aware that a year or more ago, a prominent spotted owl species expert
>>told me (and stated publicly, I believe) that it would be a practical
>>impossibility to kill barred owls sufficiently to protect spotted owls.  
>>And
>>yet now that seems to be the priority of the Fish and Widllife Service for
>>recovering spotted owls in a vast geographic area.
>>
>>Does this not constitute a de facto attempted reversal of a natural range
>>expansion of a native species?  Does this not mean in reality a permanent
>>program of killing barred owls, because if the shotgunning of barred owls 
>>is
>>brought to an end at some point in time, the expansion of the barred owl
>>population and threat to spotted owls will resume, leading to further or
>>future endangerment?
>>
>>Something in the logic of this plan seems unworkable to me because the 
>>plan
>>only addresses this issue anecdotally, without exploring the long-term
>>ramifications of this management strategy, including looking past the
>>projected time of delisting of spotted owls.  It seems hard to believe 
>>that
>>spotted owls and barred owls cannot reach some sort of natural equilibrium
>>and the idea of a permanent program of killing barred owls just for being
>>barred owls is not something that makes a lot of sense to me, as much as I
>>want to see spotted owl recovery.  Is this the best we can do?
>>
>>This recovery plan, in my view, has other serious weaknesses, but the
>>"shotgun management" approach is particularly distasteful to me in view of
>>the geographic and temporal scales that would be necessary.
>>
>>
>>Stan Moore     San Geronimo, CA     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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