not sure how far to take your metaphor about "trouble down lower". but my point is that religion and science will always argue until there's realization that they are each different states of consciousness. the non-validative, salutary truths of religions need not argue with the sensorimotor, empirical sensory truths of the sciences....but they do in the United States, as J. Sparks said "are destined to be antagonistic because other Western societies do not share the problem we have of using mythology to construct a national paradigm." both science & religion seem not to recognize the futility of trying to meet nonmaterial needs (objective constancy & spiritual/moral, respectively) by controling material resources. to the degree that both institutionalized religion & science employ a politco-navigational compass bent on a dominant instrumental relationship with Nature, I wouldn't be suprised that they don't find more to agree about as their hegemony is replaced by an attitude of respect and communication.
Adam Herbert "recycling reward consumption" - William McDonough ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Richard Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: May 4, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: FW: Be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality! To: adam herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I see where you're trying to make trouble down lower? ------------------------------ *From:* Mammalian Biology [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jim Sparks *Sent:* Friday, May 04, 2007 2:35 AM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Subject:* Be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality! It is not true that science and religion are destined to be antagonistic because other Western societies do not share the problem we have of using mythology to construct a national paradigm. We, as educators, have been far too willing to cop out. Of Western nations, only Turkey is more backwater than us. With comparable literacy rates, we should at least be not far behind the UK. We need to buck up, put up our dukes, and be more willing to get a bloody nose in defense of reality. Sincerely, Jim Sparks Acceptance of Evolution as fact: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/bigphotos/21329204.html On 5/3/07, adam herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > the ultra-reductionistic out is to accept that religion & science will > ALWAYS argue because one is based on faith and one is based on fact...why > argue? you're using different eyes to see the same thing > > On 5/2/07, Jim Sparks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Have you seen this? A peer reviewed journal for young earth > > creationism! > > Please tell me that someone out there is preparing some stiff opposition > > to > > this. > > > > When this thing gets off the ground it will do a pretty good job of > > undermining scientific method and credibility. This may be even worse > > than > > recent scandals involving pharmaceutical industry funding of > > product research or petroleum industry scientists contradicting > > climatologists on global warming. Journals on the whole are losing > > their > > credibility because of various financial entanglements in a few key > > fields. This current attack is not going to help ecology and > > evolutionary > > biology one bit. > > > > As goes the reputation of journals, so goes the voices of reason. Can > > anyone think of a way to defend Aristotelian logic or all we all going > > to > > just watch placidly as the age of reason slips into the shadowy > > recesses of a new, albeit perhaps more subtle Dark Ages. > > > > Sincerely, > > Jim Sparks > > http://www.icr.edu/ijcr/index.html > > > > *International Journal for Creation Research * > > > > The Institute for Creation Research is pleased to announce the inaugural > > Call for Papers for the International Journal of Creation Research > > (IJCR). > > > > IJCR is a professional peer-reviewed journal of interdisciplinary > > scientific > > research that presents evidence for recent creation within a biblical > > framework. > > > > Addressing the need to disseminate the vast field of research conducted > > by > > experts in geology, genetics, astronomy, and other disciplines of > > science, > > IJCR provides scientists and students hard data based on cutting-edge > > research that demonstrates the young earth model, the global Flood, the > > non-evolutionary origin of the species, and other evidences that > > correlate > > to the biblical accounts. > > > > It is our hope that you will be encouraged in your study of creation > > science > > issues that remain at the forefront of education and research. > > > > Andrew A. Snelling > > Editor-in-Chief > > > > -- > > James L. Sparks Jr. M.Sc. > > Freelance Ecology > > 4530 E. Seminary Ave. > > Richmond, VA 23227 > > 804.426.2479 (cell) > > > > -- James L. Sparks Jr. M.Sc. Freelance Ecology 4530 E. Seminary Ave. Richmond, VA 23227 804.426.2479 (cell) "Quis custodiet ipso custodes?" -Juvenal -- James L. Sparks Jr. M.Sc. Freelance Ecology 4530 E. Seminary Ave. Richmond, VA 23227 804.426.2479 (cell) "Quis custodiet ipso custodes?" -Juvenal
