Does this study seem, to this forum, to be an example typical of 
current research design?  I must be missing something, but Dr. 
Williams' clarifications didn't clear the fog in my head--I am trying 
and failing to guess, aside from the techniques mentioned, what her 
specific objectives are (I don't want to conjecture) and how the 
study is going to reach them.  If it's perfectly clear to everyone 
else, then none need comment and I will just note for the record that 
apparently it is in fact typical of current research design.

I must say, however, that it sounds like an interesting project--and 
ambitious!

WT

At 06:12 AM 6/3/2007, Michael Fuller wrote:
>Hi Amy,
>Ahh, thanks for clarifying your approach. :-) As you are using
>circular plots (and, it seems, a form of distance sampling), you
>might consider adapting the "trapping web" design to your needs.
>Trapping webs are often used for capture-recapture studies. The web
>design uses spokes radiating out from the center of the circle.
>Samples are then taken at specific intervals along the spokes. This
>approach yields several subsets of samples that are equidistant from
>the center (i.e. rings of samples, like pearls on a necklace). The
>following paper describes the design as applied to capture-recapture
>studies, along with statistical analysis.
>
>Anderson, D.R., K.P. Burnham, G.C. White, and D.L. Otis. 1983.
>Density estimation of small-mammal populations using a trapping web
>and distance sampling methods. Ecology 64:674-680.
>
>The above is an early paper on the topic. The authors have written
>several related papers, including one that compares the web design to
>grid designs (Parmenter et al. 2003. Ecological Monographs 73:1-26).
>
>All the best,
>Mike
>
> > Date:    Sat, 2 Jun 2007 11:57:37 -0700
> > From:    Amy Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: Sampling vegetation for wildlife habitat purposes
> >
> > Thank you all for your many insightful responses. Perhaps I can
> > clarify a
> > little bit. The research is already designed to gather plot-level
> > information on vegetation physiognomy (canopy height and density,
> > DBH, tree
> > condition, percent of plot that is meadow, forest, bare ground,
> > downed wood,
> > etc.), as well as soil attributes and hydrology. In addition, I did
> > intend
> > to use the 10-cm square sub-quadrats to represent single points to
> > gather
> > presence/absence of either species or type (sedge, forb, grass),
> > and average
> > height. Is there a systematic way to place a large number of these
> > in a 15-m
> > square circular plot, besides limiting them to orthogonal cross-
> > transects? I
> > will make sure to consult the texts recommended to me; maybe I will
> > find my
> > answers there.
> >
> > Again, thank you for the help!

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