Steve -- Well said.  Like many others in this profession, I am a first=20
generation college graduate.  I am pleased that my two sons are a second=20
generation.  I remember how disappointed I initially was when they did not =

aspire to go into ecology for a program of study.  But am now very pleased =

that they have taken their understanding of ecology that they apparently=20
learned from me and their excellent high school and university teachers=20
into their professions.  It is good to have "ecologists" in financial=20
planning and interior architecture.  I hope we continue to have more=20
people thinking about ecology in other professions.  mas tarde, EJF=20



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As a high school teacher who sees an enormous=20
variation in student body from year to year, some=20
of whom go off to top colleges and succeed, many=20
of whom are first generation college hopefuls,=20
and a large number of whom are even refugees here=20
with at best erratic educational histories, I=20
find the preoccupation with "should's" here a bit=20
quaint.  This is the 21st Century.  My group may=20
be an extreme example, but students are showing=20
up these days with vastly different experiences=20
than those we might have expected, even a decade=20
ago.  Whatever No Child Left Behind=20
straightjackets or standardized testing they=20
squeeze our kids through, there is no turning=20
back.  More and more students are seeking to=20
include higher education in their lives, that's=20
good.  More and more students are seeking out=20
courses that have to do with how our planet=20
works, that's good, too.  Whether it's Ecology,=20
Environmental Science, whatever the course, when=20
people ask me what I teach, I always have to=20
remind them that, most importantly, I teach=20
people.  Whether it's my catch-all high school, a=20
premium private school, or college, we all share=20
an opportunity here, which is to shape the=20
future.  I think we have an obligation to meet=20
our students where they are, and only then bring them as far as we can.

Steve Crowley


At 05:39 AM 11/18/2007, James J. Roper wrote:
>I teach ecology to grad students here in Brazil, and the problems are
>similar.  However, the simple truth of the matter is that Andy is=20
apparently
>teaching "ecology" to students who do not have the appropriate
>pre-requisites....  Sure, the university may not force formal=20
pre-requisites
>on the students, but to study ecology, the student should already have
>studied introductory biology (and so SHOULD know the difference between a
>lizard and a salamander) and preferably other, more advanced, courses in=20
the
>biological sciences.  Also, a fundamental premise of ecology is evolution =

by
>natural selection - the students should understand that first.
>
>So, if the students do not have that background, then I think you are
>wasting your time teaching "ecology" and what you should be teaching is
>"environmental studies."  That could easily be geared to unprepared
>undergrads, and could fill in some of those voids that you mentioned you
>students have.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Jim
>
>On 11/17/07, Andrew Park <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ecologgers,
> >
> > Responses are invited to the following thoughts, especially from
> > experienced teachers:
> >
> > I teach a 2nd year course in basic Ecology at an undergraduate
> > university.  After four years of teaching this course, I am being
> > drawn to the following conclusions:
> >
> > [1] ? The textbook is awful.  Not only that, but all the textbooks I=20
have
> >        looked at that are aimed at teaching an overview of Ecology=20
seem to
> > be
> >        chronically faulted:
> > *  There is simply too much stuff in them.  My course is one semester
> > long, but
> >     even if it were a full year course, I could probably cover less=20
than
> > 50% of
> >     this book.
> >
> > ** The books are grossly overpriced.  Some students are unable to=20
afford
> > them,
> >     and since the publisher is constantly coming out with slightly
> > altered ?new?
> >     editions, the resale price is low.
> >
> > *** The material they cover and their overall emphasis, appears to be
> > poorly
> >      selected and framed given the tenor of current public discourse=20
on
> > ecology
> >      and environment.
> >
> > **** Finally, I believe that I can do this stuff better myself.
> > Although there
> >       are commonalities among all universities, the sociocultural
> > backgrounds of
> >       students and the bioregional contexts in which we work differ
> > greatly.
> >       How can a mass-produced textbook ever hope to capture that?
> >
> > [2] ? Students today are different.  Numerous research studies and=20
even
> > more
> >        anecdotal evidence suggest that numerical skills, basic=20
literacy,
> > the
> >        ability to organize information into coherent arguments, and
> > engagement
> >        with the natural world are all worse than they were (even) a=20
decade
> > ago.
> >        And yet textbooks speak to students as though they know how to=20
read
> > a
> >        graph, as though they are sophisticated reasoners, and perhaps=20
most
> >        importantly, as though they already understand the difference
> > between
> >        salamanders and lizards, spiders and insects.  NEWSFLASH ? THEY
> > DON?T.
> >
> > [3]  Because of [1] and [2], I conclude that I need to take a=20
radically
> >       different approach to teaching this basic course:
> >
> > *  The course needs to be longer, probably split into ?Basic? and
> > ?Advanced?
> >     Semesters
> >
> > ** A module on the basic variety of life needs to be built into the
> > course.
> >
> > *** The course has to contain materials relevant to modern=20
environmental
> >      discourse.  For example, discussions of energy transfer and=20
primary
> >      productivity cannot really be taught without reference to the=20
human
> >      appropriation of primary productivity.
> >
> > ****  At the same time, the traditional technical basis for teaching
> > ecology
> >        cannot be abandoned.  the question is, how to make it as
> > engaging as some
> >        of the more sexy, issue-based stuff.
> >
> > *****  Finally I believe that I may throw away the textbook, along
> > with most of
> >         the powerpoints, the WEB-CT site and a lot of the other
> > technological
> >         paraphernalia that often seems to distract as much as it=20
informs.
> >
> >        I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME RESPONSE TO THESE THOUGHTS FROM
> > TEACHERS.  IN
> >        PARTICULAR:
> >
> > * Have any of you decided to chuck the required text and simply use
> > handouts
> >    and readings?
> >
> > **  Have you changed the ways that you teach, either to reflect our
> > current
> >      environmental crisis, or to reflect the preparedness of students.
> >
> > ***  What, in your opinion, are the ESSENTIAL things that we have to=20
teach
> > in
> >       basic Ecology courses.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Andy Park (Biology Department, University of Winnipeg)
> >
>
>
>
>--
>James J. Roper, Ph.D.
>
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