Hello Ecolog - I was wondering if anyone had any advice on the following
problem.

I have a data set that is infested by a plague of zeros that is causing me
to violate all assumptions of classic parametric testing.  These are true
zeros in that the organisms in question did not occur in my randomly sampled
quadrats.  They are not "missing data"

I have a fully nested Hierarchical design
My response variable is density obtained from quadrat counts.
my explanatory variables are as follows

Region                       (3 levels-fixed)
Location(Region)         (4 levels - random
Site(Location(Region))  (4 levels - random)

My plan was to analyze the data with a nested anova and then proceed to
calculate variance components to allow me to parse out the variance that
could be attributed to each spatial scale in my design.  Since it is known
that violations of assumptions severely distort variance components in
random factors, i would really like to clean up my data set to meet the
assumptions but as of yet i have found no acceptable remedial measure.

Has anyone else run into this problem when analysing abundance data.  I am
aware of conditional models, but i have no practical experience with them
and i am not even sure how to proceed with analysis in that case.  I have
been using the R program to tackle this problem and i have also found no
advice on the r-help mailing list.

Thanks for any help that can be provided

Stephen Cole
Marine Ecology Lab
Saint Francis Xavier University

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