I've posted too much on this topic, but can't resist responding to one paragraph of Wirt's posting. One approach to looking at science is to ask whether the general statements we make apply to all sciences. My favourite counter-example to almost all assertions about prediction, controlled experiments, replication, etc. is the oldest science, astronomy. Geology and oceanography will also serve.

Astronomers do not make predictions, and in fact most of their data are millions of years old (excluding planetary science of course). Geologists also do not make predictions, other than where to find oil and other valuables. Much oceanography deals with analysis and explanation, and so far as prediction goes, would you buy a used car from a fisheries oceanographer who told you that it would start tomorrow morning?

Bill Silvert

PS - Wirt, where can I get one of those large salaries?


----- Original Message ----- From: "Wirt Atmar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Nonetheless, prediction is still our only measure of how well we understand the world around us, and no one has ever said that making these predictions was supposed to be easy. If it were, none of us would be getting the large salaries we're being paid.

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