I think a good word instead of love would be respect. People have a respect for nature and that is why we protect it. Another thing Hargrove said in his ESA talk was that we need to teach values as part of our public education. It is not a surprise that it is such a contentious issue, since we are basically uneducated as a society on how to value things like nature. He might have a point, and I encourage you to read some of his literature on this subject. I am just a casual observer, so I can't authoritatively weigh in with my point of view. However, I think it is an important discussion to have.
Jonathan

On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:22 PM, William Silvert wrote:

In the abstract cited, the author (Hargrove) states that the Endangered Species Act is supposed to promote "aesthetic, ecological, educational, historical, recreational, and scientific value" in order to inhibit "economic growth and development untempered by adequate concern and Conservation." There isn't a lot of ecology in this statement (is ecological value different from scientific value?). Aesthetic and recreational values attract money and pollitical support, but they don't guarantee the maintenance of a global ecosystem.

Consider the earthworm, which I think most of us would agree is incredibly important. What are its aesthetic, educational and historical values? Aside from its use as bait, does it have a lot of recreational value? And yet it is a vulnerable species, as the native North American earthworms were wiped out during the ice age.

I am afraid that JB's refernce tends to support my argument that ecological conservation needs reason more than love.

Also, in response to several other postings abut the importance of passion in science, I do not think that passion should be confused with love. One can get really passionate about worms, but I don't know many people who love them. To put this in another context, I was a civil rights worker during the 1960s and like virtually all of the other whites in the movement I was pretty passionate about the work we were doing. But although our opponents generally referred to us as "nigger-lovers", there was little evidence that the blacks and whites who were working together had any especial love for each other, or even became good friends. The passion came from a sense that we were doing something really important, and not that we were helping people we loved. In ecology I think that much the same holds true. We are fighting for a sustainable future, not simply to protect organisms that we love.

Bill Silvert


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Blythe" <[email protected]> To: "William Silvert" <[email protected]>; <[email protected] >
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] New Book for Nature Enthusiasts


At the last Ecology conference, I saw a talk by a prominent philosopher who suggested that aesthetics is the only rational basis of environmentalism. Excuse me if I am misquoting him, but if I understand his argument, it seems very rational to me if not scientific.
http://eco.confex.com/eco/2008/techprogram/P9360.HTM

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