Tom's view is largely how I  see the debate/discussion over climate change.

One side sees the  man-made burning of fossil fuels as a key factor in
global warming and all of  the changes that will occur as a result (sea level
rise, severe weather pattern  shifts, mass extinctions of certain species,
etc.).  The other side sees  the warming of the planet as part of a natural
cycle of cooling and  warming.
The difference is that the  first group recognizes that the current changes
have been accelerated by humans,  and that humans can reverse the trend,
but only if the proper steps are  taken in a timely manner.  The second group
sees no need to (over)react  because no such catastrophe has ever occurred
in the history of mankind, and  besides, we'll just use our ingenuity to
face/conquer/adapt to any  consequences when/if they may occur.
Of course there have been  periods of global warming and global cooling in
the past, but at least during  mankind's brief time on this planet, humans
have  not experienced/endured them.  Other species have lived through them
(cockroaches come to mind).  So if you are a cockroach, there really is no
need to panic.  Likewise for the species living deep below the sea near 
themal vents.  In fact, for a lot of species on Earth, major changes  associated
with global warming will not be catastrophic.   Only for  those species
(including homo sapiens) which have grown accustomed to existing  within
relatively narrow temperature limits will the consequences of global  warming 
(or
cooling) be perceived as a problem.
If  humans cause certain environmental tipping points to be exceeded, it
could lead  to massive dieoffs of plant and animal species on which we depend
for our  existence, which in turn will lead to massive dieoffs of humans.
In a  planetary sense this is neither good nor bad -- it just IS.  It is a
natural form of population control.  When an ecosystem goes out of balance,
when the equilibrium shifts, it will eventually establish a new
equilibrium.  It's only a "problem" for those that can't adapt to the new  
balance.

Personally,  I'd rather take steps to avoid the changes/catastrophe than
try to adapt to it  afterwards.

Steve  Kunz



In a message dated 6/5/2009 9:03:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[email protected] writes:

Ecosystems and "collapse."

I think that many people
have  become habituated to thinking of ecosystems as stable sorts of
things,  hence the recent widespread and inappropriate use of the  adjective
"healthy" in their description.

I tend to think  of
ecosystems as complex sets of interactions in which the dynamics  operate
along a scale from subtle oscillations to catastrophic  change.  Note
the selection of the word "change" over collapse, for as  one
system (sets of interactions) undergoes massive change  (perterbation,
disturbance, etc) another undergoes construction:  For  each system
that collapses, another, often equally as complex, will  arise.  In
this manner, any change in predator-prey or host-parasite  (etc)
relationship or in the physical forcing functions will cause anything  from
a ripple in the oscillations to minor or major restructuring.   The
most appropriate example is how exotic species insert themselves  into
systems.

Well, enough.  Everyone knows all this, I guess  I
was just reminding folks.
Tom

> Ecolog:
>
> In  that complex ballet between organisms and their
"hosts" or "prey"  at
> every level of life,
just what is it that keeps the ecosystem  from
> collapsing?
>
>  WT
>

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