I don't have any data on these cities, but there seems to be a growing consensus that city dwellers have a smaller footprint than people living in the countryside. On a per capita basis I suspect that these two "dense, hi-tech masses of humanity" are not doing too badly, especially since in wealthy cities there is more incentive to find good ways to dispose of waste. Landfills are expensive, and in cities you are more likely to find old cars recycled than dumped in a field.

Sure I agree with all of Joe's comments about being careful and not trusting incompetent economists, but I do think that people can often manage to live better without requiring more resources per person. Is this economic growth? I'll leave that to the economic semanticists.

Bill Silvert

----- Original Message ----- From: "joseph gathman" <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] What's wrong with growth, (was: ESA position on sustainable growth)


By the way, you mentioned Hong Kong and Singapore. What is the ecological footprint of those two dense, hi-tech masses of humanity?

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