That does seem very strange to me that an ecologist would say that. Many 
scientists may have historically held those assumptions based on religious and 
cultural indoctrination but it seems pretty antiquated now. 

Humans are just like other animals in most ways. We compete with many organisms 
for resources and have mutually beneficial relationships with others. 
Ecologically as a species, we probably have a unique and unprecedented impact 
in the kinds of ecosystems we create and the degree to which we alter and 
organize them. A plane ride from the ESA conference really drove that point 
home. It staggering. An outside observer would think we were obsessed with 
Euclidean geometry if looking down on our human dominated landscapes.

Serge Farinas




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--- On Sat, 8/8/09, elkmantom <[email protected]> wrote:

From: elkmantom <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Are humans part of nature?
To: [email protected]
Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 1:01 PM

Bill,

How could Humans not be part of nature?  Are we not living organisms?  I feel 
as though this conversation is better suited for a Sunday school class.  
Sorry...

Tom




In a message dated 08/08/09 10:17:36 Mountain Daylight Time, 
[email protected] writes:
An anthropologist writing on another mailing list wrtoe that "... human 
beings, and indeed human cultures, have developed as a part of evolutionary 
processes.  This is something that a fair proportion of  ecologists do not 
acknowledge.  At my Ph.D. institution, I have had ecologists tell me that 
humans ARE NOT part of nature!" I find this statement remarkable, and would 
like to know whether it is indeed true that "a fair proportion of 
ecologists" feel that "humans ARE NOT part of nature". Comments on this 
would be welcome. 

Bill Silvert 

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