I, too, am naive. So evolution is about "advancement--toward something better" 
but is not "goal-oriented." "Better-adapted" I can understand, but "towards" 
seems to imply a goal. "Improvement?" Could Cruzan (or anyone else) clarify, 
please? 

WT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mitch Cruzan" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] facts, laws, and theories


>    Your question reminds me of the difference between science education 
> as it should be vs. science education as it is.  There are equations as 
> simple and elegant as those describing the effect of gravity on an 
> object that describe processes of evolution.  The trajectory of a allele 
> frequency in response to selection can be described with predictability 
> and simplicity of the same order as those equations in basic physics - 
> pick up any introductory textbook on population genetics and you will 
> find the answers there. 
> 
>    The key thing is that Mendelian inheritance provides us with a 
> logical and predictable framework to start from.  Adding the effects of 
> say, selection, to departures from the Hardy-Weinberg expectation then 
> comes down to simple algebra that most any high-school or beginning 
> college student could understand.  Does it gloss over complications?  
> Yes, of course it does, just as the the simple equations of acceleration 
> under gravity ignore effects of the atmosphere, drag ratios, and many 
> other things.  So the response to selection can be dampened by lower 
> heritability just as the acceleration of the object can be slowed by the 
> atmosphere.  The mathematical foundation of evolution is just as simple 
> and complex as that of physics. 
> 
>    I do not blame you for being naive about the existence of this body 
> of theory, but blame our science education system that has been crippled 
> by zealots who scream at any inclusion of evolution in biology - 
> including the simple effects of selection on allele frequencies in 
> populations (not to mention migration, genetic drift, and mutation). 
> 
>    Can we boil down the 'Law of Evolution' to a simplistic form that 
> everybody can understand?  Sure!  The 'Law of Gravity' is about things 
> falling - everything falls, right?  The law of evolution, at its core, 
> is about change - change is inevitable, or as Bill Clinton was fond of 
> saying, "change is good."  Evolution has permeated our culture to be 
> associated with change -advancement - towards something better 
> (evolution is not goal oriented).  This is just as inaccurate as the 
> common understanding of the 'law of gravity' (everything falls down).  
> So everything about the Law of Evolution is just as simple, predictable, 
> complex, and inaccurate in colloquial understanding as of the Law of 
> Gravity. 
> 
> Glad we had this little chat.
> 
> Mitch
> 
> [email protected] wrote:
>> Mitch Cruzan wrote:
>>
>>  >Perhaps it would be more clear to people if we referred to 
>>   
>>> the 'law of evolution' rather than using the ambiguous word 'theory.'
>>>     
>>
>> "Laws" in the physical sciences state simple, repeatable observations.  In 
>> general, such a "law" may be summarized in a mathematical statement and the 
>> statement may be used to calculate the value of one or more variables when 
>> others are known.  Though most laypersons misunderstand it, the acceleration 
>> under gravity equation that high school or freshman college physics students 
>> learn is an example and represents the law of gravity.  The theory of 
>> gravity, on the other hand, is considerably more complex, and as I 
>> understand it, it is a part of the "Grand Unified Theory" that physicists 
>> seek.
>>
>> How can evolution be so summarized?   Can we make a prediction about a 
>> future evolutionary outcome?  Can we craft an equation that models it in the 
>> simple way that the law of gravity can be modeled by an equation?  Though 
>> evolution is factual,  an appropriate analogy to physical laws that applies 
>> in the case of the theory of evolution is something like the Hardy-Weinberg 
>> principle, which states a simple relationship that can be repeatedly 
>> demonstrated, and can be used to accurately predict future allele frequency 
>> in a population.  It does not constitute the entirety of evolutionary 
>> theory, and no single physical law constitutes the entirety of a given 
>> physical theory.
>>
>> At least that's how I understand the relationship of what are called "laws" 
>> to theory.  I used to tell my students that a "fact" was something that was 
>> repeatedly observable, and that was generally understood to be true.  I then 
>> stated that theories explain facts.  Regarding evolution in this sense:  
>> Chimpanzees and other great apes share a considerable amount of 
>> morphological and genetic similarity with people.  That is a fact.  The 
>> theory of evolution explains those facts by invoking phylogeny.
>>
>> I would state further to my students that the theory of evolution (the 
>> explanatory model, still under development) explains the facts of evolution 
>> (observed natural selection of antibiotic existence by microbes, and 
>> observed interbreeding of domestic dogs and wolves for example).
>>
>> Now, if we want to substitute the word fact for theory in describing the 
>> concept of evolution to laypersons, then we'd be correct.  Evolution is a 
>> repeatedly observed phenomenon, and the concept is generally understood to 
>> be true.  I suppose what is known as a law in science is a fact, also, in 
>> that sense, but we can't summarize evolution with a single, simple model 
>> like we can a physical law.  At least I can't.
>>
>> I hope this helps rather than hinders the discussion.
>>
>> David McNeely
>>
>>


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