Ecolog:

Relatively recently there was a discussion about the origins of the word 
"landscape" and its various forms. Different sources gave different 
etymologies. I wrote to Douglas Harper of etymonline.com to determine whether 
or not the Indo-European root "skep" was still considered valid. Harper's 
response and our brief correspondence is pasted below for information, with his 
permission. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Etymology_Dictionary provides 
further information about the site. 

This is provided for information only, not to belabor the discussion about the 
semantics of current usage. 

WT

PS: Here is the entry upon which some apparently relied: 
landscape 
c.1600, "painting representing natural scenery," from Du. landschap, from M.Du. 
landscap "region," from land "land" (see land) + -scap "-ship, condition" (see 
-ship). Originally introduced as a painters' term. O.E. had cognate landscipe. 
Meaning "tract of land with its distinguishing characteristics" is from 1886. 
The verb meaning "to lay out lawns, gardens, etc., plant trees for the sake of 
beautification" is first recorded 1927, from the noun. Related: Landscaped; 
landscaping.

Apparently, Harper intends to add the information related to "skep" in the near 
future; it appears that both etymologies were "correct." I presume that 
Harper's careful scholarship (from "scap?") will bring the issue, if there is 
one, into clearer focus for us all. While I fully expect (and even accept 
without protest) that "landscape ecology" will continue to be used, I continue 
to find it amusingly ironic that a term connected with scraping the land of 
self-sufficient ecosystems and replacing it with plants preferred by human 
cultures is considered the most appropriate appellation. At another level it is 
interesting to note that culture (custom) prevails, even over the culture of 
origin's definition did not. Perhaps there is hope that the historical heretics 
will prevail in, say, forty years or so. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Doug Harper 
To: Wayne Tyson 
Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:47 AM
Subject: Re: Etymology Landscape


      sure, have fun with it. Just ask them to be patient. I know how those 
debates can get.

      --- On Sun, 5/16/10, Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote:


        From: Wayne Tyson <[email protected]>
        Subject: Re: Etymology Landscape
        To: "Doug Harper" <[email protected]>
        Date: Sunday, May 16, 2010, 2:23 AM


        Hon. Doug Harper: 

        Here's to a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooog life, and a happy one for 
you!

        With your permission, I will post this reply to a listserv (Ecolog-l, 
the listserv of the Ecological Society of America), for information. It was the 
subject of a recent debate. 

        WT

        PS: I wish you much success with your website. 
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Doug Harper 
          To: Wayne Tyson 
          Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 10:41 PM
          Subject: Re: Etymology Landscape


                Yes, thank you I will add that. The first job was to get 
something basic and complete, the next ten years will be devoted to fleshing it 
out, if I live that long.

                --- On Tue, 5/11/10, Wayne Tyson <[email protected]> wrote:


                  From: Wayne Tyson <[email protected]>
                  Subject: Etymology Landscape
                  To: [email protected]
                  Date: Tuesday, May 11, 2010, 9:21 PM


                  Thank you for this valuable resource; your contribution to 
the improvement of the understanding of the English language is inestimable. 

                  If I may suggest, you might want to consider the 
Indo-European root "skep," as cited ("to cut, to hack") in the American 
Heritage Dictionary, for your entry under "landscape," "landscaping," and words 
derived therefrom.  

                  Please advise if said citation is in error. 

                  Respectfully submitted,
                  Wayne Tyson 



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